• universeness
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    I think I have figured it out already. There are no strings. Only closed geometric structures to contain the three basic charges. How does a string vibrate? It easier than they make you think universeness!EugeneW

    Well done EugeneW. All you have to do now is convince the likes of Ed Witten, Brian Greene, Sean Carroll, Michio Kaku and Leonard Susskind. If you do, then when you are on TV, I will be able to say to my friends, him!, Hah! I used to chat to him on TPF when he was a nobody, just like me.
    Now, he won't even answer my emails! He's just part of the cosmological elite!!! :naughty:
  • EugeneW
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    I'm working on it... And when I'm on TV I'll let you come with me. As the co-founder of the new physics. (I'm afraid of cameras, but we cant tellem that!). Dont worry, Ill do the physics talks! You can make jokes!
  • universeness
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    Can't you see from the diagram no virtual photon is involved? Virtual particles are the horizontal lines in the diagram, representing two time ordered states. A wiggly line is a photon (like the two externals) and a straight line an electron. In the middle, betwe4the two vertices, there is an electron. The electron goes round in a circle in timeEugeneW

    But there is only one horizontal line in the diagram.
    The electron(e-) and positron (e+) are inputs. I took the wiggly lines to be the two 'real' photons emitted and I had always read that no one really knows what's happening in the middle(or horizontal line part) of a Feynman diagram.
  • EugeneW
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    But there is only one horizontal line in the diagram.universeness

    Exactly. That's the virtual electron. There is no virtual photon (though you could see the two real photons as one long lived virtual photon). That would be the case for two electrons.

    You could consider the electron and positron as one long lived virtual electron. Just connect the lines to form a closed line (which represents a vacuum bubble).
  • universeness
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    Dont worry, Ill do the physics talks! You can make jokes!EugeneW

    It's a deal! By that time you will be able to buy all the single malt whisky's I will need to keep the jokes flowing!
  • EugeneW
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    It's a deal! By that time you will be able to buy all the single malt whisky's I will need to keep the jokes flowing!universeness

    I guarantee you Ill take you with me! When the going gets tough you can joke me out!
  • EugeneW
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    to buy all the single malt whisky's I will need to keep the jokes flowing!universeness


    :lol:

    Can you imagine?
  • universeness
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    Exactly. That's the virtual electron.EugeneW

    As I said, when I have read stuff involving Feynman diagrams. The 'horizontal line' is always referenced as 'we don't know what happens here.'
  • EugeneW
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    That's why it's called virtual. We obviously cant observe it. Which doesn't mean its not happening. The most important stuff happens in the dark...
  • universeness
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    Can you imagine?EugeneW

    If you know that the virtual can become 'real' then all those virtual bottles of single malt Scottish whisky's that I am imagining in my head right now! YOU CAN MAKE THEM REAL!
    I like your Physics. String theory has never offered me such!
  • EugeneW
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    :rofl:

    String theory, despite its 10 dimensions, offers one teeny weeny string only. I offer fully blown geometrical structures. Like Scottish malt bottles! Still virtual but if we couple to them they get very real!
  • universeness
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    Maybe the Final T.O.E will be The EugeneW equations (but with strings attached!).
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