The problem is this: One doesn't achieve virtue by following a particular menu. An affluent vegan's footprint will be larger than a poor carnivore's. Pillsbury's frosting may be vegan but it is still industrial in every sense of the word. — Bitter Crank
Don't exploit animals — Ennui Elucidator
The exploitation of animals is an essential human trait that extends back into era of Homo erectus and earlier. — Bitter Crank
It isn't like vegans don't expect to get the short end of the food stick. — Ennui Elucidator
expanding our scope of moral regard is generally thought to be a sign of progress — Ennui Elucidator
I am not sure whether people "hate vegans" as much as find them annoying. I think it rude to show up at carnivore social event and demand animal-free food. It would be equally rude for a carnivore to show up at a vegan social event and demand meat.
Vegans count as "picky eaters" because they exclude everyday foods that cost people eat. I understand how people with celeriac disease really have to exclude gluten from their diet, but then there are people who don't have any degree of celeriac disease but think gluten free is cool, and expect others to accommodate them. Same for people who insist on organic foods.
When I prepare a meal for a local homeless shelter, I am happy to make vegan food that is attractive, flavorful, and nutritious. I exclude pork (usually) because there are sometimes homeless Moslems there. If someone just happens to not like pork, well... tough. Just eat what's on your plate. [I'll eat cilantro / coriander without making an issue of it, even though I think it is disgusting.] — Bitter Crank
A good principle is to return meat to the status it occupied for many centuries in western culture — Bitter Crank
I do find it disturbing something as simple as eating a ham sandwich can be politicalized in such extreme way. — TheQuestion
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