But the hypocrisy of claiming to be defenders of free speech while persecuting its critics speaks volumes. — Banno
liberals like Wayfarer don't care about truth. They care about aesthetics, making sure everything is done according to the sanctioned titles, by the proper channels. — StreetlightX
not observing any of the conventions which hold the framework together. — Wayfarer
Davis details how The Guardian, the New York Times, and Der Spiegel journalists were putting Assange under extreme pressure to go to press before Assange had finished redacting names from the documents. None of the outlets offered any resources or support to help redact them, and Assange had to pull an all-nighter himself and personally cleanse the logs of over 10,000 names before going live.
Davis says that it was Guardian journalists such as Leigh and Nick Davies, the two most vocal critics of Assange, who were displaying the cavalier attitude toward redaction back then.“Of course, it was apparent that they would be risking, if not the safety, certainly exposing the identity of many people — there’s tens of thousands of documents there,” said Davis. “I never witnessed a conversation where anyone took that seriously. Not one.”
Davis says the only conversation that he witnessed on the topic of redaction was between Davies and Leigh, and Assange wasn’t present.“ It occurred to Nick Davies as they pulled up an article they were going to put in the newspaper — he said ‘Well, we can’t name this guy,’” recalls Davis. “And then someone said ‘Well he’s going to be named on the website.’ Davies said something to the effect of ‘We’ll really cop it then, if and when we are blamed for putting that name up.’ And the words I remember very precisely — from David Leigh was he gazed across the room at Davies and said: ‘But we’re not publishing it.’ Indeed, the only ones who seem to concur with this “cavalier” characterization of Assange are those who’ve had a lot invested in making sure they weren’t blamed for the leaks.
Again, a democracy needs to know when it has gone wrong. — Banno
Again, again, a democracy needs to know when it has gone wrong. It's that capacity to self-referentially correct itself that marks it as different to tyranny. — Banno
Disappointing; disingenuous. — Banno
You would charge Assange with "not reporting on China and Russia". — Banno
But where is the disingenuousness? Are you calling me a liar? — James Riley
Yes, I would. — James Riley
No, not a liar. I think you are kidding yourself. — Banno
Your argument is not against Wikileaks, but in favour of a better Wikileaks. Yep. — Banno
Given how Assange has been treated by those nations that supposedly defend and foster open discussion, do you think it likely that there will be folk willing to stand up against Russia or China? — Banno
Do you think prosecuting Assange in this way encourages such reporting? — Banno
Especially prosecuting him in this way. — James Riley
Torture is indeed effective. — Banno
So now you are arguing he's getting water-boarded or enhanced interrogation at Gitmo? — James Riley
And I never did get an answer to just what Saudis might have thought that. Or do we all think that Kashoggi got justice?I'm sure the Saudis thought they "brought to justice" Khashoggi. — StreetlightX
Nothing so unsubtle. — Banno
Do tell. — James Riley
Empathy can't be taught. I'll read that last post of yours as being about you, and leave you to your own devices. — Banno
- NY Times etc would not publish classified information as this is illegal. A large part of Wikileaks rationale is to provide a medium through which journalists working at those organisations can release such information and remain protected by anonymity. — Wayfarer
As Wikileaks purportedly has the final say on what is published, then that makes them a publisher. If the site was truly anonymous, i.e. nobody vetted anything that was put on there, then they could deny being a publisher, but the fact that they review material prior to it being released effectively means they're publishing, 'making public', that information.
Empathy can't be taught. — Banno
P.S. Empathy would be with the victims of those who don't provide due process to their own. — James Riley
In that regard the Australian Government is culpable. — Banno
If those within my house start to divide, and take sides with an external actor who sews division within my house, should I become the oppressor they said I was all along, so they can say to the world "I told you so!"? Or should I fall by being the better angel of my of my nature? Should I let them have what they pray for? Is that a false dilemma? — James Riley
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