I’m not so sure about that. — NOS4A2

I am.

“You want to know what fascism is like? It is like your New Deal!”

- Benito Mussolini — NOS4A2

Yeah, but he was a fascist, so there's that. The original conservative "whataboutism." :rofl:

I don't look to fascists for my read on things.

That’s why you don’t know what fascism is. Mussolini loved the New Deal and Keynesianism. Not-so-odd bedfellows, then.

That’s why you don’t know what fascism is. — NOS4A2

I do know what it is, which is precisely why I don't look to fascists for my cute little one liners. You know, like a fascist would do.

Mussolini loved the New Deal and Keynesianism. Not-so-odd bedfellows, then. — NOS4A2

Yeah, that's why FDR kicked his ass, along with Mussoline's bedfellow, Hitler. :rofl:

Yet you aggrandize the state at the expense of your own freedom, just like a fascist would do. Funny stuff.

Yet you aggrandize the state at the expense of your own freedom, just like a fascist would do. Funny stuff. — NOS4A2

Ah, but you are wrong when you say I "aggrandize" the state and do it at the "expense" of my own freedom, just like a fascist would say. :razz: The state is just a simple tool I use to enhance my freedom at your expense.

"The common good before the individual good. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz)"

"The Nazi 25-point Programme," — NOS4A2

:rofl:

The common good = Hitler. Got it. Another air-tight argument.

The common good = Hitler. Got it. Another air-tight argument. — Xtrix

He likes citing fascists. "Very fine people on both sides."

“Freedom therefore is due to the citizen and to classes on condition that they exercise it in the interest of society as a whole and within the limits set by social exigencies, liberty being, like any other individual right, a concession of the state.”

- The Doctrine of Fascism

Mussolini loved the New Deal and Keynesianism. — NOS4A2

So he loved the policies and programs that dominated the "Golden Age of Capitalism"? Greatest growth in the 20th century. Etc.

Compare to the last 40 years of neoliberal Reaganite policies. You'll find the real fascism there.

So he loved the policies and programs that dominated the "Golden Age of Capitalism"? Greatest growth in the 20th century. Etc.

Compare to the last 40 years of neoliberal Reaganite policies. You'll find the real fascism there.

Fascists hated liberalism. Another swing and a miss.

“Freedom therefore is due to the citizen and to classes on condition that they exercise it in the interest of society as a whole and within the limits set by social exigencies, liberty being, like any other individual right, a concession of the state.”

- The Doctrine of Fascism — NOS4A2

Emphasis added.

Fascists hated liberalism. — NOS4A2

Yet they liked the New Deal and Keynes -- all liberal policies. Neoliberalism isn't "liberal."

Talk about swing and a miss...no substance whatsoever, only slogans and quotations. Per usual.

In the interests of society as a whole. It’s the best you can do and the best you have done, isn’t that so?

In the interests of society as a whole. It’s the best you can do and the best you have done, isn’t that so? — NOS4A2

Not the fascist state you keep citing for your authority. You know, the one with the "social exigencies." Heil!

Neo-fascists who worshipped Trump love to talk about fascists.Trump and Mussolini share a lot in common.

This guy hasn't a clue about fascism. He thought neoliberalism was "liberal." Better just to satirize and laugh.

Maybe adding another emoji will help you out.

Oh ok, so just what you think are in the best interests of society as a whole, then.

This guy hasn't a clue about fascism. He thought neoliberalism was "liberal." Better just to satirize and laugh. — Xtrix

He reminds me of the Limbaughs who point out that "Nazi" has "socialist" in the name, so they must be socialist. You know, like the PDRK must be the people's, and democratic, and a republic. Because they say so. Mussolini said something, ergo it must be true. :lol:

DPRK, not PDRK.

Compare to the last 40 years of neoliberal Reaganite policies. You'll find the real fascism there. — Xtrix

Neoliberalism real fascism? That's too thick. (And how Reaganite were Clinton and Obama?)

Fascism is just a meaningless derogatory adjective then. There with communism (for some).

And neoliberalism.

Oh ok, so just what you think are in the best interests of society as a whole, then. — NOS4A2

Well, that's easy. In the U.S., just don't give personhood to money, follow the state and federal election and voting procedures, and the end result will be the interests of society as a whole.

And maoism.

In fact, any word that few know but that sounds sassy and clever.

Spelling Nazi! True to form. Thanks. :razz:

Neoliberalism real fascism? That's too thick. (And how Reaganite were Clinton and Obama?) — ssu

Clinton and Obama were neoliberals as well, yes.

Fascism is just a meaningless derogatory adjective then. There with communism (for some). — ssu

Pretty much. Fascism, socialism, communism (and capitalism) get thrown around all the time by those who don't have a clue about what they mean.

Don't forget socialism.

"[Republican Senator Robert] Taft explained that the great issue in this campaign is “creeping socialism.” Now that is the patented trademark of the special interest lobbies. Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.

Socialism is what they called public power.

Socialism is what they called social security.

Socialism is what they called farm price supports.

Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.

Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.

Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.

When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan “Down With Socialism” on the banner of his “great crusade,” that is really not what he means at all.

What he really means is, “Down with Progress — down with Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal,” and “down with Harry Truman’s fair Deal.” That is what he means."

HTruman

In fact, any word that few know but that sounds sassy and clever. — ssu

Except neoliberalism is a socioeconomic program that we've been living with for 40 years and that isn't restricted to one party. The policies are de-regulation, cutting taxes, privatization. Nothing sassy or clever about it.

I mean, it seems highly probable that any of the several other centerists candidates would be President right now if they had been given similar support. What makes Biden the one? — Count Timothy von Icarus

Yes, he (and Trump) are old. But then again, Americans just love old people as their leaders. For some unknown reason.

I think the main thing is that when we know that Biden won't be running again (and let's remember, this is his FIRST year), he will automatically get to be the lame duck. People simply will be looking past him for the next candidate making Biden a somewhat semi-lame duck.

:100:

Imagine this came from Truman. That communist.