As I said, your notion of what art is - information on the mind of artists - is old news in the art world. — TheMadFool
It is a definition of art. When defining something you don't get a choice as to how it exists! :lol: — Pop
It is irreducibly defined. It may not be what you would like to hear. No doubt you would prefer to hear the typical irrelevant and subjective drivel, but such is the nature of the beast. The definition can not be reduced any further, and any expansion of it is not a constant characteristic of art. What is left, is what always exists. — Pop
Of course the question is - “what is consciousness” ? — Pop
There must be hundreds of definitions of art that I have read, but none are like this one, and when people speak of art, it is often a shambles because they understand it differently. — Pop
“Art is an expression of human consciousness. Art work is information about the artist’s consciousness.” — Pop
Art is simply what people put on display and call art. — Tom Storm
If art is anything an artist presents as art then anything can be art, and by extension, anyone can be an artist. This is true, in my opinion, but all it really means is that presenting something as art is essentially offering an invitation to view something aesthetically. We may or may not have the ability or choice to do so. In any case, claiming that something presented as art is not art is a refusal to view it aesthetically and does not mean that it's not art. — praxis
And to address the points and objections I made would be nice. — Ambrosia
It's like saying "all people eat food" ,what does my definition elude? — Ambrosia
Your not the first in anyway to have this view,and worst your view is pedestrian,egotistical and preachy. — Ambrosia
You are saying nothing new,and you original OP is overblown,flowery,dogmatic and verbose. — Ambrosia
You also seem oblivious to the fact that art can also be dishonest propoganda,and that mainstream art is in the main bourgeois hegemony. — Ambrosia
It is a definition of art, and it is absolutely nailed – definitive! — Pop
Yet, someone can present anything under the sun as art. What's the difference between letting anyone determine what art is and you defining art as anything you want? — TheMadFool
Are you willing to accept that letter written by an ordibary person is art and it is as artistic as an epistle penned by a great writer cum calligraphist? After all both are information on the artist's consciousness. — TheMadFool
Well, you have it as part of your definition of art. So, back to you, what is consciousness? — TheMadFool
It, art as expression of consciousness, doesn't appear in the definition because experts deem it trivial and not because they didn't know. — TheMadFool
But great art, whatever that may be, depends upon a great mind, whatever that may be. — Pop
No, most definitions of art are rather shallow and trivial, and similar. I have read many of them. This one is different. This one defines art scientifically within a work of art. Nothing like it has been seen before. — Pop
IE, the above definition relates more to that of the Post-Modernism that arose in the 1960's, where the artist has become more important than the artwork, rather than any definition of art that preceded it. — RussellA
This definition doesn't relate to Modernism and Pre-Modernism — RussellA
"Whatever that means". Indeed. What doescit mean? — Thunderballs
audience relationship is a relationship of consciousness in relation to consciousness. — Pop
So you think. But the thoughts you see are not universal. You say they are. I say they're not. — Thunderballs
We are the same, just different in formation. — Pop
My thoughts are not universal, but the underlying process giving rise to them is - self organization. — Pop
But this doesn't address the different forms. It just says there are different forms — Thunderballs
The forms are endlessly variable and open ended, and so can not be defined — Pop
But self organisation cannot stand on it's own. It needs to be immersed in the right habitat. So the habitat is even more universal — Thunderballs
Self organization gives rise to order in the universe.
Who self organized first - God or us? :chin: — Pop
Who's going to gather all the data?? — Wheatley
Most structures in the universe are the result of an organization but not all are self-irganized. If I make a painting it doesn't self-organize. Nor do my photographs... — Thunderballs
Yeah, im not following you. :confused: — Wheatley
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