Interesting, so the boy will associate his senses with the thoughts he is thinking about in that experience. So what if he is thinking of something of something like a "black hole" in which you can only perceive visually. I think in that case all he is left is to think of the image of a black hole. In other words the boy will associate certain thoughts with which he was able to perceive them with his senses or feelings, and at the base level you might only be left with images. — Thinking
Even animals who can communicate ideas, orally or gesturally, must translate their internal flow of non-verbal feelings into forms that can be expressed symbolically. When your dog or cat paws at you to get your attention, they are expressing a feeling common to mammals. — Gnomon
Yes. Human verbal language uses abstract symbols & vocalizations, while most animal non-verbal communication uses more concrete (physical) signs & symbols, including body language such as wagging tails. Human babies tend to use "inborn" gestures and sounds before they learn how to use the abstract symbols of adult language. Both body language and verbal language are symbolic, in that they imply some meaning beyond the obvious body movements. So, the boy without language should still be able to communicate feelings and ideas in symbolic gestures, until he learns the conventional meanings of abstractions like spoken words and marks on paper. :smile:One language is symbolic, the other is an inborn (previously mutated) language. — god must be atheist
To me the word concept refers to abstractions in language. I can imagine thinking in images (taken in a broad sense, not just visual images, iow some kind of sensory collections), but the moment the word 'concept' comes in, to me that includes words at the very least.I think in concepts. — god must be atheist
I would say that communication exists in all causal relations. Effects communicate their causes and vice versa. Behaviors communicate intent. Behaviors inform us of intent.I would say communication exists in bodylanguage, there is a empathic bond between people that makes us see bodily expressions as atleast as important as words. — Equinox
In my highschool years I figured that learning a new language is level 2/a symbolic communication, and math is level 3. Pure math, where number manipulation is divorced from quantities. (A quantity is a number combined with a unit of measure. 1 Km, 34.3 miles, 4 hours, 33 minutes, etc.) — god must be atheist
I may have infinite differences with you, becasue I beleive in the evolutionary theory. — god must be atheist
level one (this is the main thrust of your questioning, as I see it) is not a worked-out or acquired or experiencially-learned or a priori learned process. It is simply a biochemically driven reaction that was precipitated by DNA functionality. — god must be atheist
You are a very smart person, so I shan't go farther in this explanation. You just have to put yourself in my shoes, sort of pretend-wise, and this will become obvious to you.
I don't mean to convince you; I just mean to make you see how I see the whole thing unfold to Level 1. — god must be atheist
This is the sort of statement because of which I have a strong suspicion you don't understand evolutionary theory.Don't you think that the DNA must have acquired it somehow? — Metaphysician Undercover
I don't think we should discuss this any further, MetaUnder. It's not going to end happily. Let's pull out while we can. — god must be atheist
This is the sort of statement because of which I have a strong suspicion you don't understand evolutionary theory. — god must be atheist
If DNA acquired this ability through evolution, — Metaphysician Undercover
Listen, you person: chemical compounds don't acquire knowledge. I am running out of patience with you. If you only listened to your grade 11 chemistry teacher, you wouldn't ask increibly stupid questions like this. — god must be atheist
Please leave me alone, I beg you. While the going is bad, but not horrible. — god must be atheist
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