Prosaically, the chances of being in a position of economic, social and political opportunity depend heavily on whether one is white or not.
Whole world mate.
Sure, if we took the entire world in aggregate I would rather be white — BitconnectCarlos
Just like Hitler hated lots of people! Equal opportunity murder! Nothing to do with Jews! — StreetlightX
'Acceptable' collateral damage - besides, only a mere fraction of total police lynchings :wink: - for the paramilitarized Operation Niggerization of the proletariat, precariate, undocumented and other others.White men get lynched by state apparatuses on a regular basis as well. Cops must hate white people. — BitconnectCarlos
ll other conquerers like Hitler--Alexander the Great, Caesar, Khan, etc--- had their empires dissolve between warring generals almost instantly upon their deaths, after which, things usually returned to much as they would have been anyway. — ernestm
The oppression faced by blacks, even characterized at its must hyperbolic, is dramatically less than the systematic gassing of Jews. — Hanover
If they have to bear the weight of all injustices so be it. All the better even, until actual change happens. — StreetlightX
Black people - and basically anyone who is not white - always get pinned down to their race: being black means you are a 'black writer', a 'black lawyer', a 'black actor' or whathaveyou. — StreetlightX
As far as I'm concerned, resistance to understanding things in terms of race comes out of nothing but a deep anxiety over it. Black people - and basically anyone who is not white - always get pinned down to their race: being black means you are a 'black writer', a 'black lawyer', a 'black actor' or whathaveyou. Being white just means you're a writer, lawyer, or actor. The resistance to race is nothing but the terrifying idea that one might have to be a 'white writer', etc etc. It's self-anxiety reflected outwards. "Pragmatisim" means: I don't want to have to deal with race - only they need to. — StreetlightX
. And more importantly that we think that dealing with it as purely a race issue won't really solve it long-term. — ChatteringMonkey
No one is arguing - or at least I'm not arguing - that these issues are 'purely' race issues. If anything my line of argument has been the exact opposite: that race issues cannot be understood without implicating them into economic, social, and historical ones. But this recognition must be a two-way street. To understand racial issues as, say, economic, is equally to understand economic issues as irreducibly racial. You can’t have one without the other. As I said to someone else here - maybe you already - economics and race are not in competition with one another. They must be thought through together, and each can only ever be conceived more poorly without the other.
@“Brett” got confused earlier when I said that something can be specifically racial without only being about race. Another way to put this is that not even racial issues are themselves purely racial. “Race”, isolated from its social links, is purely imaginary. But again, this means that the social is directly racially implicated. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that race issues are ultimately economic issues, while aiming to minimise any discussion of race in economics. If anything, the exact opposite holds. — StreetlightX
And the way it has played out so far, it seems to be predominately about race, which I don't disagree is a part of it, but it does risk missing the other aspect, especially in the measures that will be taken ultimately. — ChatteringMonkey
And the way it has played out so far, it seems to be predominately about race, which I don't disagree is a part of it, but it does risk missing the other aspect, especially in the measures that will be taken ultimately.
— ChatteringMonkey
But then the point would be to encourage a more expansive and robust notion of race than to rail against its very mention. Now's the time to do it, if any. — StreetlightX
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