Regarding group 2 your wall of text suggests to me that you disagree with my 60% of those infected? Where would you estimate the figure? Or do you think it can't be estimated for the reasons you give? — Punshhh
The basic pattern is Covid doubles your risk of death this year. Most people who have a risk of death "within 10 years" don't have 30% risk of death this year and therefore 60% risk of death with Covid this year (which is still not 60% chance of death from Covid). If a person of high risk of death with in 10 years has 5% risk of death this year, then their risk of death of Covid seems to be also 5% (therefore 10% within the year). — boethius
such a contrary contention would require a substantial amount medical evidence demonstrating its veracity and the mechanism by which it acts. — Isaac
Independent predictors of mortality were diabetes mellitus, a history of renal dysfunction (or higher creatinine), New York Heart Association (NYHA) functional class III or IV, lower weight or body mass index, lower blood pressure, ankle oedema, and higher scores on a disease specific quality of life questionnaire...A prognostic model produced on the basis of easily obtainable information from medical history and physical examination can adequately stratify heart failure patients according to their short term risk of death. (my bolding) — From the BMJ
I will give your thoughts more thought as I only see large numbers of vague(in the sense of being unknown this early in the pandemic) and wide ranging thoughts across all the factors involved in this crisis. — Punshhh
Also I am inclined to return to the political and socio economic developments of the crisis, which is more my area. — Punshhh
https://apnews.com/d20f283318c86bec3cc2d3d7936a9612A flood of new research suggests that far more people have had the coronavirus without any symptoms, fueling hope that it will turn out to be much less lethal than originally feared.
Now we are seeing the brainwashed people coming out to protest in the US. — Punshhh
Trump is trying to present himself as a stable genius who has got a handle on this virus and is taking all the right actions and responses. — Punshhh
Here in the UK we have a curious juxtaposition between the populism and a sense of civil obedience and cooperation. — Punshhh
as their populist message became superseded by a global pandemic the populism has become curiously silent and the population has fallen into line behind the instructions of the medical experts. — Punshhh
I wasn't sure how we are to compute the importance of human life versus making money. Maybe it's just we hate the coronavirus so much we want to kill it regardless of the cost. — Hanover
Trump seems to be thrashing around in different directions and is becoming more and more unhinged. — Punshhh
Whereas, in the US there are lot's of policies that increase deaths so that some corporations can make more money (such as having no effective public transportation, no cautionary principle to chemicals, anti union laws, few worker protections etc.), so coronavirus is revealing the hypocrisy of politicians and institutions that normally don't care about people's lives, but are forced to in this situation due to the first point above. — boethius
Countries that don't have such a hypocritical political and bureaucratic class don't encounter these analytical problems: they've already done a lot of work reducing car accident deaths (I believe Sweden achieved their goal of 0 child car deaths a year recently) and no one's really forced to drive anyways: in other words, these countries don't already have plenty of "money in exchange for some lives" policies so coronavirus does not reveal a inconsistent governing ideology of the ruling class, where "suddenly they care about poor people". — boethius
If a vaccine eliminated the coranavirus tomorrow, shouldn't we keep the economy closed down indefinitely, considering we'll see a predictable spike in death from car accidents and other communicable diseases if we don't, or is our objective only to eliminate coronavirus deaths specifically? I wasn't sure how we are to compute the importance of human life versus making money. Maybe it's just we hate the coronavirus so much we want to kill it regardless of the cost. — Hanover
— Hanover
With regard to federal regulations over dangerous chemicals and worker safety requirements, the FDA and OSHA are fairly tight regulators, and, I don't know if you've been in the US, but we are an incredibly safe society due to the threat of litigation being around every corner.
Here is another kicker: one of our best friends is an RN and has been put on another month of furlough. Our hospitals are empty — ArguingWAristotleTiff
The one common thread is Americans feel pride in our work and contribution to a common good but at what cost is a question worth considering. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
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