If people would learn from past mistakes, this (competent containment) would likely happen after this pandemic. People would be ready for the next one and likely contain it before the pandemic phase.When I was arguing for competent containment it was to avoid this as a worst case scenario of shutting down the major economies all at once — boethius
I'm not a Republican. — frank
If people would learn from past mistakes, this would likely happen after this pandemic. People would be ready for the next one and likely contain it before the pandemic phase. — ssu
Earlier the US would have created a great effective system to stop pandemics and both parties would take it as seriously as stopping Al Qaeda. The US would be a leader that others would follow. Now when I think of it, I'm not so sure about that. — ssu
You see, it's not Eisenhower's era anymore where a Republican administration would invest in huge infrastructure projects like the Interstate Highway System or start a large vaccination program against polio. This isn't just about Trump ineptness, it's more about how broken the system is and how people distrust the government. — ssu
You think that all people are willing to take a corona vaccination when it comes in 2021-2022? Will they want to upload the apps now worked on to track the pandemic? I don't think so. It's big brother with it's sinister plans scheming behind the innocent sounding agenda of "stopping the pandemic". — ssu
And then there's the economic recession (depression). Putting then money anywhere else than something that the people can immediately benefit from won't be popular. That will severely hinder the future responses and likely, at least after a decade, the guard will be down again. — ssu
I've nor heard however that there have actually been a lack of ventilators and that people are dying who could have been treated. While many thought it would get that bad, it never actually did. What I'm hearing is: — Hanover
I've nor heard however that there have actually been a lack of ventilators and that people are dying who could have been treated. While many thought it would get that bad, it never actually did. What I'm hearing is: — Hanover
here I am covered in plastic, thank God I remembered my anti-fogger spray, turn the vent off, pull the ETT, cover head in plastic, prepare for the long journey of cleaning this vent up for the next person.
What's so weird is that when I usually withdraw support, the whole family is in the room. It's only with homeless people that the RN and I do this alone. But now everybody dies alone. I haven't gotten to know any of these people. — frank
No. — Benkei
Social Worker with chemical dependency is my first destination and then I would like to work for Hospice.I'm kind of used to it. I think you'd be a good one to work with. Going to RN school? — frank
"In France, as in Europe, we don't have the tradition of wearing the mask. There is a tradition in Asia."
How large a gathering is too large during the coronavirus pandemic?
The math of social networks can create a roadmap to a group size that still curbs spread
Oh Dubbaya! He was genius compared to Trump. — frank
I really don't see how this answers my question, which is specifically how the delay in social distancing has resulting in a measurable loss of life, unless you can show that the treatment received under the current conditions has limited the healthcare received and that limitation can be specifically shown to matter. — Hanover
:smile: Well, that's not my intention. But I have noticed that for quite some a time now it has been difficult especially for Americans to take of those politically tinted glasses off and look at all things without the juxtaposition between pinko-liberal-democrats agenda and the libertarian-right wing-Trumpist-republicans agenda.Yet, you live in Finland, enjoying the fruits of foresight based politics and institutional design, quite comfortable during this crisis without any fear of social dysfunction, and instead of explaining how and why these institutions work, based on ideas worth considering, you prefer to coddle American conservatives (with whom you share only a couple of policy concerns) and help lull them back to sleep and protect them from too many terrifying facts at once. — boethius
This is true. And in hindsight, it is an effort quite easy to make. It wouldn't be difficult for an US administration to understand that however well it otherwise performs, a lousy response to a huge earthquake, a large hurricane or a pandemic might cost it the next election. And for the government to prepare for those natural disasters before they happen would be beneficial. Armed Forces have always operational plans for war (OPPLANs) guiding their training and peace-time preparations, so in order for other authorities to take similar plans seriously would be easy. You would avoid the part of states bidding against each other to get PPEs and an overall sense of confusion.Also, pandemic prevention is not a huge infrastructure, it's a small investment that has massive cost-benefits, as we're witnessing in real time. — boethius
In general Americans have a distrust about the government, especially when the administration running isn't the party they voted for. It's so simple. The unfortunate thing is that this kind of thinking is closer to people in the Third World than those in the First World.Is it the big bad leftist big brother coming for them from the heart of Trump's white house, pushing the limits of double think. Or are you saying these people are going to be criticizing Trump and Republicans for big brother policies? — boethius
More like that the elite doesn't even think it's their job anymore. They are responsible only to their shareholders, their constituents or themselves and nobody else. Besides, who does anymore think that the "American Empire" is important? Who in the Trump-era thinks that the US is the leader of the Free World? I would say the invasion of Iraq was a real watershed moment, but the downfall has been the Trump presidency, when it should be obvious to everyone that the US doesn't want to lead anymore. And Trump's followers are happy with this. The change in the attitude towards the government is obvious too.So you agree that the American elite have lost the thread, are incapable now of making reasonable decisions even to protect the Empire and their own class interests, and we are witnessing the free fall of the American Empire? — boethius
A lot of criticism in this thread is aimed at the US, for whatever reason, even though everyone can clearly see the virus was brought to the continent by European and Chinese travellers. Despite the failed efforts of globalist institutions—the WHO, the UN, the EU (just add up the death rate there)—whom we can all blame, criticism begins and ends at the American border. Why is that? Is it the need of a whipping boy? — NOS4A2
It's weird how often people forget that the world is larger than the US, and the CDC can therefore not fabricate numbers across the globe. — Echarmion
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