Could a healthcare system every be universal if they cannot care for their patrons universally? — NOS4A2
In Italy utilitarian principles are applied to the triage,
and the elderly are given low priority because they are less likely to survive. That’s an unfair hand to be dealt, especially since the elderly have spent much of their lives paying into the system that has promised to care for them. So though you can speciously blame others for theoretical and future deaths of hundreds of thousands, you have said nothing of actual deaths and the decisions that have led to their demise. — NOS4A2
Could a healthcare system every be universal if they cannot care for their patrons universally? Italy has universal coverage, or at least that’s what they sold the good people of Italy, but it turns out not to be the case. — NOS4A2
Worth noting that the failure of the Italian state has largely owed itself to the EU bureaucracy, which, thanks to a decade of imposed neoliberal austerity programs, have gutted the Italian public sector. Once again, capitalism fucks everything. — StreetlightX
Ah. The bliss of looking at everything from a distinct political view. :snicker: — ssu
Worth noting that the failure of the Italian state has largely owed itself to the EU bureaucracy, which, thanks to a decade of imposed neoliberal austerity programs, have gutted the Italian public sector, leaving it one of the most fragile economies on the continent. Once again, capitalism fucks everything. — StreetlightX
I think it’s unfair to give a lower priority to those who have arguably payed more into a system that has promised to heal them. But this situation may, in the end, change my mind in this regard. — NOS4A2
Yes, and at least you admit it.We’re talking about governance, which is inherently political. — NOS4A2
I'd tone it down a notch with the argument everything is happening because the evils of the neoliberal capitalist death cult. I would say that the dire situation in Italy has more to due with the fact that it was among the first places hit after China.The bliss of knowing the basics about the state of the Italian economy? And your alternative is... ignorance? — StreetlightX
So you think that in no circumstance when deciding policy, human live can be measured against other values? There was a point to the example. If it can be done in other cases, what's different here? I'm not arguing against lock-down right now, to be clear, I agree that there shouldn't be any doubt. I'm just saying that at some point the question will come... and that could be a question where philosophy could actually be informative. If you don't want to go there, that's fine. — ChatteringMonkey
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