I am sure we can learn to adapt and prepair for such epidemics, but as yet we are sorely ill prepared. Hopefully there will be much more effort put in to epidemiology now with real data to work with.So this might be the new normal if and when there are pandemics, even less dangerous ones
The thing is, you cannot argue with counter-factuals of "What if nothing would be done, then how many would die". — ssu
I said socialist-in-liberal-clothes', as in a wolf-in-sheep-clothes, as in knowing you're a socialist, but trying top pass yourself off as a libertarian (the only true liberal), in order for you ideas to sound more reasonable to others. — Harry Hindu
If no action would be taken to fight the disease, there would have already been a lot of pandemics in our lifetime causing similar havoc as the black death or the Spanish flu. In the case of the Spanish flu antibiotics have gone a long way from 1918. After all, let's not forget that the modern influenza A has derived from it.Obviously you can argue with the counter factual of "What if nothing would be done, then how many would die" by having some basis to estimate the deaths will be low if action isn't taken. — boethius
And this is my point: we simply don't tolerate the idea of many thousands dying in an epidemic as we earlier did.Your whole previous point of drawing a comparison to previous pandemics that didn't have these extreme policy reactions is proof that you can go forward without the measures we're seeing today ... if the deaths really are low enough that "the economic disease" of extreme measures would be worse than "the actual disease" then yes, it's unfortunate it will kill people but it's impossible to shut down society to just delay the inevitable spread of the disease. - Now, yes, you could just let everyone who can't survive without treatment die and everyone else carry on as normal. The fact is, people don't accept that policy. — boethius
If no action would be taken to fight the disease, there would have already been a lot of pandemics in our lifetime causing similar havoc as the black death or the Spanish flu. — ssu
And this is my point: we simply don't tolerate the idea of many thousands dying in an epidemic as we earlier did. — ssu
That's true. It started as an "ordinary flu". The second time around was worse. — ssu
“If you want to set up a framework of Martial Law ... we have the capacity to do that,” he said. “But we are not in that moment feeling like that is a necessity.”
I disagree. Even the libertarian people of the US will adhere to the instructions of the CDC and their local health services. — ssu
The pandemic likely will take more time than people will think. It may take a year. But I don't think people will revolt, they will more likely adapt to a 'new normal'. Likely people will start using more face masks than before, start using that elbow bump and not tolerate people coughing or sneezing as before. I don't see any reason for people revolting.Luckily, as of now, the people are compliant. But given sufficient time that might all change. — NOS4A2
(Perhaps when Trump cancels/postpones the elections because of pandemic or something.) — ssu
I don't see any reason for people revolting. — ssu
The pandemic likely will take more time than people will think. It may take a year. But I don't think people will revolt, they will more likely adapt to a 'new normal'. Likely people will start using more face masks than before, start using that elbow bump and not tolerate people coughing or sneezing as before. I don't see any reason for people revolting.
(Perhaps when Trump cancels/postpones the elections because of pandemic or something.)
That was already seen when one of the nightmare-disaster scenarios happened with hurricane Katrina with the levies being breached. It can be totally true what Chris Kyle (depicted in American Sniper) bragged about doing in New Orleans.The institutions needed to keep things stable in the US don't exist as they do here in Europe, and there's no way to create them on short notice. — boethius
Yeah, this pandemic will be old news come winter 2020-2021 when the actual spike will happen. And only later will they start putting higher the numbers of deaths that likely will emerge in historical accounts in the 2030's. Then we'll be surprised that so many actually died.No, the panic-snowball will be melted by summer. This virus will take its place with H1N1 and all the others that continue to kill the elderly. — frank
It's like Mad Max. — frank
Yet hardly a pandemic makes these things happen. It doesn't happen with lightning speed. And this is the time we are at peak hype about it. So... toilet paper riots? — ssu
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