Punshhh And you.
So will Trump do the right thing and bring all his troops in Asia home, before they get infected?
You know very well that he cant do something that drastic in the political situation he is in. At least he is taking steps in the right direction, by drawing down in Syria and preparing a withdrawal from Afghanistan. And the swamp is bashing him for that already!
Come one, as much as you hate the guy, you have to acknowledge that that is vastly better than warmonger Clintons policy.
— Punshhh
Which situation? The ME or Corona? His natural reflex is to to be optimistic. And he gets bashed for that. But the "mainstream media" would bash him even more if is sounded alarmist. Damned if he does, damned if he does not.Or will he bottle out and start denying the seriousness of the situation? — Punshhh
I don't care who you caught it from; just quarantine yourself until the symptoms subside. — unenlightened
This is the Coronavirus thread.Which situation? The ME or Corona? His natural reflex is to to be optimistic. And he gets bashed for that. But the "mainstream media" would bash him even more if is sounded alarmist. Damned if he does, damned if he does not.
That can't be right. Death is a symptom. If you are asymptomatic, you don't die any more than you cough or have a temperature. And if you are asymptomatic, in most cases you don't get tested. — unenlightened
That is why the quarantined ship makes a good statistical sample - everyone was tested. — unenlightened
if what you want to know is how dangerous and disruptive the epidemic will be, or what your chances of falling ill are, or what your chances of dying will be if you develop symptoms — SophistiCat
If you don't like the way that statistics is done, then your free to cherry-pick or make up any numbers that you feel like but in doing so it will be a given that your allowing bias to influence your judgement. If you want to only look at the statistics of the people on the ship then you can do so but I'm pretty sure there wasn't enough people on the ship to get a true sample size (which usually requires at least 2,000) and it is a given that wealthy people on a cruise ship are going to have access to better care than less wealthy people, people stuck in a hot zone, and/or people in developing countries.That can't be right. Death is a symptom. If you are asymptomatic, you don't die any more than you cough or have a temperature. And if you are asymptomatic, in most cases you don't get tested. That is why the quarantined ship makes a good statistical sample - everyone was tested. In China many were quarantined, but not tested, in general, symptomatic people are tested, and that tends to over-estimate the death rate. — unenlightened
If you listen to the experts on this, and even read between the lines with some of the things they are talking about you should realize this is likely going to effect us mush like the Spanish Influenza that happen close to one hundred years ago and kill more people than World War I and world War II combined. — dclements
You don't have TDS? Then why go off like a rocket every time I make fun of Trump? — Benkei
This is the Coronavirus thread.
Trump should do the right thing, not worry about his image, or the election. — Punshhh
A virus doesn't have to have a high mortality rate to kill more people than viruses much more people than it, it just has to be highly contagious and spread to nearly everyone in the world to kill tens of millions. Even if the virus is 0.25% to 0.5% lethal (which are very optimistic projections for developed countries), that is still deadly enough to tens of millions of people over the next couple years.The Spanish Flu had a significantly higher mortality rate, and hit societies which were in bad shape and had no warning. It also disproportionately affected young adults, possibly due to the war. — Echarmion
Even if the virus is 0.25% to 0.5% lethal (which are very optimistic projections for developed countries), that is still deadly enough to tens of millions of people over the next couple years — dclements
You may not realize it but the governments of the world are in no way equipped to handle this virus if it keeps going at the rate it has been. — dclements
I agree with dclements, for example the Italian health service is already struggling and they only have about 6,000 cases so far. It has become such a crisis that they have quarantined about 16,000,000 people and closed many institutions.I don't see why you think governments are "in no way equipped" to handle it. What do you think will happen?
I do not have TDS, you do. — Nobeernolife
This wasn't supposed to happen, Trump was going to secure his place in history as a successful president. But now we have a global crisis greater than the financial crisis of 2008, perhaps as serious as the Second World War. Now as president it is his duty to step up to the plate and show presidential leadership. Will he perform, or will he shy away and attempt to downplay the seriousness of the situation, out of fear?I agree this is the Corona virus thread. So take your antitrump cackling to the TDS thread, where it belongs
And I guess one could say the black death in Europe which is estimated to kill 33% of the human population at the time was kind of tragic but some human being survived and life went on. However I believe it is unwise to say that pandemics that kill a large amount of the people do not in any way change society of the psyche of the human civilization.Which is tragic on an individual scale, but will not necessarily impact society much. Even the impact of the Spanish Flu was limited, and it's still around (in less deadly strains) killing people. — Echarmion
I think by definition when governments fail to stop an epidemic from becoming a pandemic that reaches nearly every country in the world then it is a given they where either unable or unwilling to contain a virus. The corona virus is spreading almost as fast as if nothing was being done at all.It's likely to be a serious strain on hospitals and other healthcare providers. How bad it gets will depend on the rate of hospitalisations, how well we can protect the medical personell, and whether a vaccine is available quickly. I don't see why you think governments are "in no way equipped" to handle it. What do you think will happen? — Echarmion
Strong come back. Erudite and all. — Benkei
Afaik, he is doing his job. What exactly are you bashing him for, except being Trump?This wasn't supposed to happen, Trump was going to secure his place in history as a successful president. But now we have a global crisis greater than the financial crisis of 2008, perhaps as serious as the Second World War. Now as president it is his duty to step up to the plate and show presidential leadership. — Punshhh
"Downplaying" is a loaded word. The president is supposed to be optimistic; if he was not, you would bash him for spreading panic.Will he perform, or will he shy away and attempt to downplay the seriousness of the situation, out of fear? — Punshhh
"Downplaying" is a loaded word. The president is supposed to be optimistic; if he was not, you would bash him for spreading panic.
Coronavirus, COVID-19, is spreading exponentially. — Punshhh
There will likely already be supply chain disruptions in various industries and product lines, due to China being a major supplier. Add to that the likelihood that, if many people are infected, the workforce will be diminished, and also the economic effects on the retail, food and travel sectors, I think it's pretty clear that it's not all just about the stock market (although the latter is of course also very significant). — Janus
And everything I've described is basically admitted. Boris Johnson just came out and said "well, it's going to spread anyways". Yes, it will spread anyways, but there are massive difference in outcome depending on if something is done to slow it down or not. By saying "it's going to spread anyways", implying "so let's get it over with", he is thinking about the stocks and not the people; he is saying in no uncertain terms, "it's better to sacrifice a lot of people so global business can get back to normal as quickly as possible".
Also they have probably calculated that the virus will kill off a lot of older, ill people, which will solve the bed blocking problem in the NHS and save money. — Punshhh
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