• praxis
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    It’s a shame Obama was so effete and ineffective and boring. All that truth-telling got us nowhere.NOS4A2

    Well, besides rescuing the economy from the great recession, passing health care reform where over 20 million Americans gained coverage, and so on. One notable achievement that's related to not being a childlike liar, Obama was the first president since Dwight Eisenhower to serve two terms with no serious personal or political scandal.
  • NOS4A2
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    Well, besides rescuing the economy from the great recession, passing health care reform where over 20 million Americans gained coverage, and so on. One notable achievement that's related to not being a childlike liar, Obama was the first president since Dwight Eisenhower to serve two terms with no serious personal or political scandal.

    The The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 was under Bush. The website for Obamacare cost over a billion dollars. Then there is the IRS targeting scandal, Fast and Furious gun-running, Benghazi, Bowe Bergdahl, spying on a presidential campaign, on American citizens, on news agencies and reporters. Thanks Obama!
  • Deletedmemberzc
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    You would prefer a gaggle of social media consultants, PR specialists and speech writers to tell you stories,NOS4A2

    Right. Trump doesn't have "a gaggle of social media consultants, PR specialists and speech writers to tell [the American people] stories."

    Again: Trump is the king of PR and you are his dupe.
  • praxis
    6.2k
    The The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 was under Bush.NOS4A2

    And that alone resulted in the economy that Obama left office with. Is that what they teach you to say in troll school?

    The website for Obamacare cost over a billion dollars.NOS4A2

    Trump will probably spend half that much just golfing.
  • NOS4A2
    8.4k


    And that alone resulted in the economy that Obama left office with. Is that what they teach you to say in troll school?

    Oh right, it was Obama who rescued the economy. The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act had absolutely nothing to do with.

    So we already have a number of mistruths in only a couple of your posts. That’s Trump numbers, pal. Better watch it.
  • praxis
    6.2k
    ... The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act had absolutely nothing to do with.

    So we already have a number of mistruths in only a couple of your posts. That’s Trump numbers, pal. Better watch it.
    NOS4A2

    You wrote that EESA had nothing to do with it so if there's a lie it's your lie.

    What are the other lies? You appear to read about as well as Trump.
  • tim wood
    8.8k
    Matching the last several Democrat and Republican Presidents:

    Trump-------------Obama
    Bush II------------Clinton
    Bush I-------------Carter
    Reagan-----------Johnson
    Ford----------------Kennedy
    Nixon--------------Truman
    Eisenhower------Roosevelt

    Eisenhower, Ford, four more-or-less horrors, and, sui generis, Trump.

    On the Democrat side, seven more-or-less excellent Presidents and men.

    Reagan and Bush II might have kept Trump as a pet, but the people who worked with and for them would not have. As for the rest, simple exercise: Roosevelt and Trump. Truman and Trump, Eisenhower and Trump.... You get the idea. Trump is just an obscenity. Even Nixon would have dismissed him.
  • Deletedmemberzc
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    My eyes glaze over as soon as I see your reply.NOS4A2

    I recommend the ignore option.
  • tim wood
    8.8k
    I like to know what my president is thinking, whether he spits truth or not.NOS4A2
    Great! How do you know what he's thinking?
  • NOS4A2
    8.4k
    Legendary tweet from the president.

  • NOS4A2
    8.4k


    I recommend the ignore option.

    I would never censor you, friend.
  • Michael
    14.4k
    More like cringe. From both of them.
  • NOS4A2
    8.4k


    Lol. The phrase “OK Boomer” does apply here. These men are well into their 70’s.
  • Michael
    14.4k
    Judge Calls Barr’s Handling of Mueller Report ‘Distorted’ and ‘Misleading’

    A federal judge on Thursday sharply criticized Attorney General William P. Barr’s handling of the report by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, saying that Mr. Barr put forward a “distorted” and “misleading” account of its findings and lacked credibility on the topic.

    Judge Reggie B. Walton said Mr. Barr could not be trusted and cited “inconsistencies” between his statements about the report when it was secret and its actual contents that turned out to be more damaging to President Trump. Judge Walton said Mr. Barr’s “lack of candor” called “into question Attorney General Barr’s credibility and, in turn, the department’s” assurances to the court.

    The judge ordered the Justice Department to privately show him the portions of the report that were censored in the public version so he could independently verify the justifications. The ruling came in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit seeking a full-text version of the report.

    “It would be disingenuous for the court to conclude that the redactions of the Mueller Report pursuant to the FOIA are not tainted by Attorney General Barr’s actions and representations,” wrote Judge Walton, a 2001 appointee of President George W. Bush.

    ...

    Among the issues Judge Walton flagged: Mr. Barr initially declared that the special counsel had not found that the Trump campaign had conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election.

    While Mr. Mueller did conclude that he found “insufficient evidence” to charge any Trump associates with conspiring with the Russians, Mr. Barr omitted that the special counsel had identified multiple contacts between Trump campaign officials and people with ties to the Russian government and that the campaign expected to benefit from Moscow’s interference.

    Judge Walton wrote that the special counsel “only concluded” that the investigation did not establish that the contacts rose to “coordination” because that term “does not have a settled definition in federal criminal law.”
  • NOS4A2
    8.4k
    For those interested, Trump is doing a townhall.

  • Benkei
    7.2k
    Judge Reggie B. Walton is an Obama stooge... Oh wait, he isn't.
  • Benkei
    7.2k
    Clinton stooge! Wait... No...
  • Benkei
    7.2k
    Well, it's only one guy so we can discount his opinion.
  • Benkei
    7.2k
    Did I get the playbook right do you think?
  • Michael
    14.4k
    You forgot "Never Trumper" and "Deep State operative".
  • NOS4A2
    8.4k


    Both would apply in this case. I guess we’ll see when it gets to the Supreme Court, yet again.
  • Benkei
    7.2k
    Right you are. Well, it's all getting rather predictable isn't it?
  • Michael
    14.4k
    Both would apply in this case.NOS4A2

    How so? Do you just believe that anyone who says or does anything that goes against Trump's interests is doing so in bad faith? Are you incapable of accepting that Trump and the Trump administration are sometimes in the wrong?
  • Benkei
    7.2k
    Uh, 316 pages in and that's still a question?
  • Benkei
    7.2k
    It's a bit coarse but still pretty funny. A bit of Dutch but mostly English.

  • NOS4A2
    8.4k


    I was joking. Nonetheless, he exhibits the same anti-Trumpism that has rendered relatively bright people into vectors of propaganda. He speculates, without evidence, that Barr made calculated efforts to “obfuscate” Mueller’s findings.
  • Benkei
    7.2k
    Notice the dodge?
  • Michael
    14.4k
    He speculates, without evidence, that Barr made calculated efforts to “obfuscate” Mueller’s findings.NOS4A2

    He read Barr’s summary and read the redacted report and ”concurred with Special Counsel Mueller’s assessment that Attorney General Barr distorted the findings in the Mueller Report.”1 Given the known distortions it’s reasonable to infer unjustified redactions. He didn’t make his judgement apropos of nothing.

    1https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/george-w-bush-appointed-judge-isnt-taking-barrs-word-for-it-will-review-mueller-report-redactions-himself/
  • NOS4A2
    8.4k


    What exactly did he distort?

    The Mueller report was released to the public.
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