then entropy is such that it can be reset to a previous state — god must be atheist
but if time is a circular path — Wittgenstein
If the universe existed eternally, and if all events have a finite duration, then everything that could have happened, would have finished already. — Wayfarer
It can, but it won’t. That’s sort of the whole point. Statistically speaking, it is almost impossible for entropy to decrease in a complicated system — khaled
Can you expand on this? I'm not sure it follows. Could it not be that there are infinitely many finite events. — edicts fiori gilt
Only closed systems are statistically required to increase in entropy — Pfhorrest
Dark energy is precisely such a new influx into the universe as a whole. — Pfhorrest
Can you expand on this? I'm not sure it follows. Could it not be that there are infinitely many finite events. — edicts fiori gilt
According to our current understanding, our universe is not a closed system: — Pfhorrest
Science doesn’t know what ‘dark energy’ (or dark matter) are, so how can they say they’re physical, when they’re not even described by current physics? — Wayfarer
The entire infinite space with infinite matter, the whole system is a closed system. — god must be atheist
Current physics do describe "dark matter" and "dark energy". These names describe physical phenomena that have been observed. — Echarmion
The problem with this is that the entire universe, in its infinite expanse, whether it contains finite or infinite amount of matter, is a closed system. — god must be atheist
Do you think that has any bearing on the ‘causal closure’ principle beloved by materialist philosophers? (Which is that every physical event has a physical cause.) Science doesn’t know what ‘dark energy’ (or dark matter) are, so how can they say they’re physical, when they’re not even described by current physics? — Wayfarer
They have *never* been observed. There's an inference that they must exist because of their effect — Wayfarer
new energy is constantly being created everywhere — Pfhorrest
They [dark matter/energy] have *never* been observed. There's an inference that they must exist because of their effect
— Wayfarer
Almost everything we have learned about the universe in the past few hundred years has been learned through indirect observation — Pfhorrest
As physics is basically physicalist, then the placeholder for that 'something' is named 'dark matter', but we ought to make it clear, that nobody knows what 'dark matter' is or even if it is real. — Wayfarer
Also, looking through a telescope is an indirect observation. Especially a non-visible-light telescope. — Pfhorrest
I’m surprised you didn’t comment on this in my thread Against Transcendentalism as it’s a pretty important part of establishing a what “natural” means. Without it, germs are as “metaphysical” as you say dark matter is. — Pfhorrest
we have a precise physical description of these — Wayfarer
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