the EU has said unequivocally that it is not open to renegotiation, that the deal that's been offered is the only one available. Johnson's threat of leaving 'deal or no deal' is only that - a threat, or a bluff. So he actually has no room to move, other than to get Parliament to agree with the existing deal, although he's bullshitted everyone to think otherwise. (Trump: 'that's my boy!')

the EU has said unequivocally that it is not open to renegotiation, that the deal that's been offered is the only one available. — Wayfarer

Yeah, I agree it would seem unlikely that the EU will capitulate. How much more likely do you think the Parliament is to agree to "Brexit without a deal"? Are we in a position to assess those likelihoods? Will Bo Jo work his Mojo? If not, then what?

I think the technical term is 'shit hitting the fan'. We shouldn't have to wait too long to see it, either.

Yes, it'll be interesting to see what it looks like. I can't decide what to think would be the best outcome. How long can this limbo be sustained before something gives (and what will then give) I wonder?

Colleague explained to me a great Prime Minister Boris Johnson drinking game:

1. Start drinking
2. Don't stop

She’s got dyed blonde hair and pouty lips, and a steely blue stare, like a sadistic nurse in a mental hospital. — fishfry

Spot the difference:

the EU has said unequivocally that it is not open to renegotiation, that the deal that's been offered is the only one available. Johnson's threat of leaving 'deal or no deal' is only that - a threat, or a bluff. So he actually has no room to move, other than to get Parliament to agree with the existing deal, although he's bullshitted everyone to think otherwise. (Trump: 'that's my boy!') — Wayfarer

But that's exactly what you'd expect the EU to say, whether that's a true reflection of their endgame or not. And parliament won't vote through an unchanged deal. And a no deal scenario would be vigorously opposed. So, I reckon it's either a renegotiated deal or a crisis that would trigger a vote of no confidence.

One is Boris Johnson, the other is Jimmy Savile.

Another twat who gets his own thread.

Pointless rhetoric from pointless, clueless people.

Bojo doesn’t run the country, May didn’t run the country and practically every single PM prior to them all - as far as I can think - didn’t run the country either.

The issue is in The House and how the differing parties and representatives work with and against each other within the limitation of what the major players in the banks, educational system and ‘military’ allow. The House of Lords is the problem. Once it collapses - and more people are pushing for this than ever before - then the whole system will come down on top of it.

PM’s and Presidents and minnows. Bojo is no fool. Maybe he’s no good but he’s CERTAINLY no fool and CERTAINLY nowhere near as incompetent as people make him out to be.

A mess needs to be made. I hope he makes a GOOD mess if things, but I won’t hold my breath because I don’t imagine the idea of “nation” will survive this century ... but we’ll have to wait for another 30-50 years to see that hatchling come out. By 2100, or maybe a few decades before, all these recent occurrences will be seen as the signs of a political global revolution.

That’s how I see it anyhoos! :)

Certainly, we have no idea what Johnson’s Brexit policy will be. The options he has promoted are mutually incompatible. He says he wants a deal with the E.U., but he has ruled out the key requirements of what such a deal would entail. He says he will force through a no-deal exit if necessary, but parliamentary opposition makes it highly unlikely he can do so. He says he won't hold a general election, which would at least give him a chance of getting past the parliamentary deadlock. And he says he won't countenance another referendum, which might allow him to get his Brexit plan through. He's ruled out all his options. At least one of these promises is going to be broken, but it's not immediately clear which one it will be.

That’s all we really know about the man behind the clown mask: It’s a person with no convictions, delivering a political project he does not believe in, with a plan that does not exist.

It’s proper, next-level postmodern politics. There are numerous layers of understanding, and it does, indeed, seem “terribly clever.” But once you get past the knowing winks, there’s nothing there at all. — Ian Dunt

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/07/24/boris-johnson-plays-clown-hes-really-just-power-hungry-nihilist/?utm_term=.3aa71ee335c9

:100:

Surprise, surprise, Johnson is bloviating for the sole delight of the Brexit party flies so that they might perch anew on his steaming pile of horse manure. All tally-ho, once more unto the breach, unsheathe your sausage, chaps! Winston Churchill meets Sideshow Bob. Only with worse hair. Pffft.

If you want to feel happy for a fleeting hour or so watch this excellent debate regarding Greek vs. Rome and which culture modernity is more indebted to between Mary Beard and Boris Johnson. Boris ends up looking like an undergrad compared to the magisterial expertise of Mary.

Boris's Boy Sajid Javid bears a remarkable resemblance to Fester, one of the ghastly Addams Family.

This is where it's at. The most accurate analysis of Boris BS I've seen so far on the mainstream media by those whose business it is to know.

If an election was called, and I was anti-Brett Conservative (of whom there are many) - who could I vote for? Johnson is a clown, Farage a jackal, and both besides are leavers; Corbyn is a Marxist, he’s going to nationalise the banks and ruin the economy. . Could I vote Liberal Democrats - do they exist? How do I vote to abandon Brexit? It seems that I can’t. So there’s no option for me. I can’t see what lies ahead, but whatever it is, is bad.

Vote Lib Dem

If you want to feel happy for a fleeting hour or so watch this excellent debate regarding Greek vs. Rome and which culture modernity is more indebted to between Mary Beard and Boris Johnson. Boris ends up looking like an undergrad compared to the magisterial expertise of Mary. — Maw

I do. And I will watch this later. The debate is mentioned here in an excellent article. Heading:

The prime minister has a bust of his Greek hero in No 10. But Johnson is no Pericles

He is more like Alcibiades, the vain playboy with unpredictable loyalties who briefly succeeded the Athenian leader.

In 2015 at Central Hall Westminster, Johnson debated Greece versus Romewith the historian Mary Beard. He presented his beloved Greece as a brilliant, sophisticated, multifaceted cradle of democracy. But as Beard pointed out, political Athens was all romantic bluster. It was Rome that triumphed. Greece might fashion marble but, as Virgil said: “These be your arts, to impose the ways of peace.” Beard won the vote. — Simon Jenkins

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/27/boris-johnson-no-10-pericles-greek-hero

Vote Lib Dem — Michael

Really ? You don't think they would make a devilish pact with the Tories again ?
Ah sorry - this was about being an anti-Brexit Conservative.
You're right.

:up:
Channel 4 news, interviewers and interviews.The best.
Even the weather forecast :cool:

Edit to add: I note we can subscribe to this.

https://www.channel4.com/news/no-deal-extension-election-boris-johnsons-brexit-plan-politics-where-next-podcast

Listen and subscribe to Politics: Where Next? on Apple Podcasts, Spotifyand other good apps.

As Boris Johnson moves into Number 10, who better to talk to this week than Peter Foster, the Europe Editor of The Daily Telegraph – widely seen as the best plugged in analyst of the Brexit saga on the bloc…

And Francis Elliott – The Times Political Editor – the first to spot a snap election was coming down the tracks back in 2017. What does he think is coming down the tracks now?

There are new episodes of Politics: Where Next? every Friday. — Gary Gibbon

That’s all we really know about the man behind the clown mask: It’s a person with no convictions, delivering a political project he does not believe in, with a plan that does not exist. — Ian Dunt

:up: In a nutshell.

Corbyn is a Marxist, he’s going to nationalise the banks and ruin the economy. — Wayfarer

That's not true. He's a democratic socialist, and he has pledged to nationalise the railways and end the energy consumer rip off. He has said nothing about nationalising the banks, and you won't hear the sort of Marxist rhetoric you'd find from the Communist Party of Great Britain from the mouth of Jeremy Corbyn. The Labour party is not a Marxist party, Militant members were expelled, and they removed clause four many years ago.

Vote Lib Dem — Michael

They don't stand a chance of getting into government, so it'd be a wasted vote.

They don't stand a chance of getting into government, so it'd be a wasted vote. — S

I’ll have you know they’ll win 650 seats at the next election.

That's not true. He's a democratic socialist, and he has pledged to nationalise the railways and end the energy consumer rip off. He has said nothing about nationalising the banks, and you won't hear the sort of Marxist rhetoric you'd find from the Communist Party of Great Britain from the mouth of Jeremy Corbyn. The Labour party is not a Marxist party, Militant members were expelled, and they removed clause four many years ago. — S

But here's a certified true picture of Karl Marx on his way to a meeting with Jeremy Corbyn to convince the Labour leader to destroy Britain's economy and personally consume every bank he can stick a pitchfork in. (Modern surgical techniques have enabled Karl to have his horns removed, but don't be fooled, it's him!)

:rofl:

Funny. Boris morphs into Trump.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/28/dude-i-take-no-pleasure-in-having-been-right-about-boris-johnson-stewart-lee

Spectacular nickname given in that article - Boris Piccaninny Watermelon Letterbox Cake Bumboys Vampires Haircut Inconclusive-Cocaine-Event Wall-Spaffer Spunk-Burster Fuck-Business Fuck-The-Families Get-Off-My-Fucking-Laptop Turds Johnson. Hard to memorise - but shouldn’t matter, as I really think his leadership is doomed. If I were a betting man, I’d bet that he won’t be PM on 31 Oct next.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/03/uk/boris-johnson-end-of-the-union-analysis-intl-gbr/index.html

What's interesting about Boris is how apparently hard it is for him to even pretend he gives a shit about anything. He delivers every policy line as if he's about to burst out in derisive laughter at the end of it. He's a conscious self-reflexive parody of himself. This goes beyond Trump who at least usually has the decency to look like he's actually crazy, and—crucially—enough so to believe his hardcore supporters aren't. What's perpetually scribbled across Boris's mop-topped mug, on the other hand, is an unconcealed impish amusement at the level of idiocy of those who catapulted him to the position of PM (with the deliciously ironic supplementary self-designation of "Minister of the Union" hammering home their folly). To say he's a buffoon is almost to miss the mark. He's a buffoon bathing in the confident assurance that the buffoonery of the system, the media, and the plebs that prop up his ridiculous, bloated frame infinitely out-buffoons him.

The reason they elected Johnson was to save the Tory party. That is even more important than Brexit, although most Tory's think Brexit is essential to achieve it and that not leaving in short order will destroy the party anyway.

The way he will(apparently) do it is by beating Corbyn decisively in an election and delivering Brexit, hence rendering the Brexit party meaningless. There's no other way of saving them and Johnson has the popularity amongst the electorate ( supposedly) to do it.

The're doomed in the long run, as their support is mainly old middle class white and almost non existent in the young, and what there is is dropping off a cliff at the moment.