Therefore we can say that universe exists whether humans exist or not. Another way to say this is :
It doesn’t matter if we exist or not, the universe will still exist.
It doesn’t matter if we exist or not.
We don’t matter. — SimonSays
yes they are similar. It also extends to the concept of there being a reason for our existence. The existence of the universe irrespective of human existence demonstrates our irrelevance.Mattering is like meaning — T Clark
is fair to say and correct. Beyond ourselves however, looking from the outside in, in the broader scheme of all the universe, we do not have claim to any significance. Therefore the concept of our importance internally is negated by the broader concept of our insignificance.We matter to me — T Clark
the human perspective has actually been used to describe humans. It is saying that humans and all that they value, is in fact, insignificant or irrelevant with respect to the broader universe of which we are a part. The prior and continued existence of the universe irrespective of our existence is evidence to this. As mentioned earlier, our value we ascribe is negated by the overall case of our irrelevance.There is only one problem with your hypothesis and that is because you are using the human perspective to describe the non-human. — Filipe
It doesn’t matter if we exist or not, the universe will still exist. — SimonSays
Beyond ourselves however, looking from the outside in, in the broader scheme of all the universe, we do not have claim to any significance. — SimonSays
n the broader scheme of all the universe, we do not have claim to any significance. Therefore the concept of our importance internally is negated by the broader concept of our insignificance.
The case accommodating an existence of God is not accounted for here. Too often, God gets inserted to provide an answer we want to hear at the expense of facing reality. — SimonSays
I think a fundamental part of our psychology is the need for someone/something to care about us. The need for this in our lives has been exploited by various leaders for thousands of years. — TogetherTurtle
People die all the time every day and the universe continues to exist. Throughout human history, there have been plagues, wars and famines that have killed millions of people and the universe still existed. In fact, if every human died, just as the dinosaurs did, the universe would continue to exist.
Therefore we can say that universe exists whether humans exist or not. Another way to say this is :
It doesn’t matter if we exist or not, the universe will still exist.
It doesn’t matter if we exist or not. — SimonSays
Mattering is like meaning
— T Clark
yes they are similar. It also extends to the concept of there being a reason for our existence. The existence of the universe irrespective of human existence demonstrates our irrelevance.
We matter to me
— T Clark
is fair to say and correct. Beyond ourselves however, looking from the outside in, in the broader scheme of all the universe, we do not have claim to any significance. Therefore the concept of our importance internally is negated by the broader concept of our insignificance. — SimonSays
The case accommodating an existence of God is not accounted for here. — SimonSays
the human perspective has actually been used to describe humans. It is saying that humans and all that they value, is in fact, insignificant or irrelevant with respect to the broader universe of which we are a part. The prior and continued existence of the universe irrespective of our existence is evidence to this. As mentioned earlier, our value we ascribe is negated by the overall case of our irrelevance. — SimonSays
Activity determines utility. Utility is the very definition of significance. Therefore, it all matters. — BrianW
We need to hope for a better future, but I'm not sure that "meeting our every desire" is going to accomplish this. — Izat So
Today's "leaders" are exploiting our need for social acceptability in terms of our consumer status or distracting us with plastic hearts, pumpkins and inflatable Santas or promising us convenience with plastic bottles and megatons of disposables. So far we're wrecking the planet producing, distributing and discarding piles of stupidly packaged tacky merchandise, most of which we don't need. — Izat So
We don’t matter. — SimonSays
WE don't matter to whom. The verb 'matter' in this sense, has to do with someone or some entity that is capable of caring about or being interested in the life of us (or whatever it is that matters to them). There are obviously people to whom nearly all of us matter.We don't matter as universe will continue to exist whether we exist or not — Sheik Yerbouti
Again - matter, meaning, reason, significance, importance, insignificance, irrelevance, importance - all these are human terms for human situations. Of course they don't apply situations where no human or other sentient being is involved. — T Clark
Earth, our son, our solar system, the Milky Way, other galaxies, the universe - all are just as insignificant as we are. — T Clark
I think it's correct to say material things make us happy. Evolutionarily, it makes sense that having many resources would help an organism survive, and things that help an organism survive make an organism happy. Of course, holiday decorations aren't going to help you fight off wild animals or collect food, but they are certainly a sign of status. Even less intelligent animals collect objects for no other reason than to climb the social ladder. — TogetherTurtle
This is an interesting view. Less intelligent animals do it, so that’s what we should be aiming for? Is this what evolution has led us to? — Possibility
I often wonder why we find value in pursuing such transient notions of ‘happiness’. Things that might help an organism survive make an organism ‘happy’ for such a short amount of time. In case you hadn’t noticed, ‘survival’ as a life goal is a rort. Like Sisyphus, it’s a fruitless exercise. ‘Nobody gets out alive!’ — Possibility
We’ve been working so hard to maximise our power, influence and control because we think it helps us to survive, but we’re never really successful at that in the end, are we? Even if you consider ‘survival’ value as either population or total mass of a species, we’re still outdone by the ants, of all creatures. — Possibility
It’s time to recognise that we’ve been climbing a ladder that goes nowhere. We think the only things that matter to me are what is valuable to me, but that’s not quite correct. Because I can recognise that something matters to me because it’s valuable to someone who’s valuable to me, even if that something holds no value in itself for me. — Possibility
This is an interesting view. Less intelligent animals do it, so that’s what we should be aiming for? Is this what evolution has led us to? — Possibility
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