And it is an argument, as can be seen here, that Christians will see as supporting their morally bankrupt religion. — Banno
Christianity is far from morally bankrupt. I am a part of the Salvation Army, and these people are completely sincere as well as ethical. — Ilya B Shambat
It is kind of backwards to espouse views about conservatives being mostly bigoted and homophobic on one hand yet defending a religion, the members of whom applaud terrorism quite openly in numerous countries with high muslim populations, yet you’re willing to lump together others to suit your agenda. — I like sushi
I do imagine that the vast majority of muslims in western countries are perfectly respectable people with perfectly respectable ideas and views (firsthand experience would back this up). — I like sushi
You seem obsessed with viewing all human affairs through a US lens. — I like sushi
"And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to Allah, who created them, if it should be Him that you worship" — Mr Phil O'Sophy
I've heard the anti-Muslim immigration and to be honest, I support it, — Judaka
No agenda necessary, just speaking facts. — Anaxagoras
You seem to lack the intellectual depth at providing a correct worldview of religion. This is not just anecdotal its facts a common trait by someone who has never traveled outside their own house let alone to another country.
You say on one hand that most, if not all, conservatives are bigoted homophobes — I like sushi
onsidering I said it seemed like you were only able to see things through a US lens and then you reply talking about home grown terrorists (US),reports in the NY Times (US) and some other talk about “Americans killed by domestic terrorists”. — I like sushi
Please consider this gives reasonable weight to my comment about your view being through a US lens only. — I like sushi
I can only assume you accidentally deleted some of the text you meant to post in the quote above? — I like sushi
I ask because it doesn’t make much sense, but you seem to be trying to insult me? — I like sushi
I don't think so. At least the government doesn't.Americans are the ones with the issues concerning so-called "Islamic terrorism" yet turn a blind eye to the domestic terrorist. — Anaxagoras
(See Report: Domestic Terrorism Is Still a Greater Threat Than Islamic Extremism)For the past several years, reports have indicated that domestic terrorists — specifically acts of mass violence by white men — are a far greater threat than actions perpetrated by Islamic extremists. According to the Washington Post, the trend continues: Internal FBI figures reviewed by the paper show more domestic terror suspects were arrested in 2018 than “those allegedly inspired by international terror groups.”
According to FBI data, 150 Americans were arrested for planning to engage in acts of domestic terrorism in 2017, compared to 110 international suspects; in 2018, the ratio was 120 to 100. An FBI official claims that the decrease in the arrests of potential terrorists inspired by ISIS or Al-Qaeda in 2018 can be attributed to a growing number of Americans attempting to join the Islamic State abroad.
The bureau investigates thousands of Americans for charges related to terrorism every year, though, as the Post notes, the public only is aware of dozens of the high-profile suspects charged with violent crimes, or the plans to carry them out.
I don't think so. At least the government doesn't. — ssu
Actually the security apparatus of the US government has taken a well balanced view on what are the terrorist threats to America. — ssu
Because people are still dying by domestic terrorist than international. — Anaxagoras
Because people are still dying by domestic terrorist than international. — Anaxagoras
Probably the only thing that seems self evident is universal basic freedoms
— aporiap
What I think needs to be justified are universal basic rights
— aporiap — Banno
But this dodges the glaring problem of grounding. I agree it seems more than callous to deny basic rights, it feels disgusting, but that doesn't provide a formal grounding or justification.I wasn't thinking of self-evident proposals. Rather, there are some propositions, the denial of which tells us about the denier.
Shortsighted because I look at the state of things on a global scale compared to just the US? I — I like sushi
I’m shortsighted because you’ve traveled somewhere? — I like sushi
Shortsighted because I am well aware that “Conservative” doesn’t mean mostly homophobic, bigoted and/or anti-abortion? — I like sushi
" Because more people are still dying or by domestic terrorist than international? — christian2017
We're having a discussion and therefore if you're postulating a claim that is meant to be plausible, you could at least substantiate your claims with evidence, not jargon. If you haven't noticed we're beyond the realm of having a complete philosophical discussion filled with dialectical arguments and jargon and word manipulation. So far your claims which are general are postulated under the supposed premise that globally, your position regarding the greater Muslim community is correct. I've challenged you and the OP to prove so and to no avail have you supported your arguments with actual evidence. Instead you want to maintain your dialectical stance. — Anaxagoras
No, you're short sighted because you haven't traveled, doesn't matter what I think however when you travel and actually meet Muslims from abroad, your position is wider than the localized viewpoints that you have of the world. — Anaxagoras
I never equated the two, although there are many members among that base that hold those viewpoints. More importantly this senseless back and forth I am having with you is nonsense, so you're right. Once you begin to substantiate your claims with evidence outside using dialectical arguments to form your own "truism" then we can begin to have a productive debate otherwise I'm done with the back and forth arguments that cannot produce substance from your end. — Anaxagoras
ou’ve challenged me to support what argument? — I like sushi
Have you provided “evidence” other than posting articles from the US? No. Then you accuse me of being “shortsighted”? — I like sushi
Did I say I haven’t traveled? No. — I like sushi
You assume SO much it is a VERY bad habit you have. — I like sushi
As I said, one can't be critical of islam without becoming 'islamophobic', 'controversial' or something similar. — George K
I love the correction. I wonder why some of you are so busy correcting members on online discussion boards when you could be taking professorships at esteemed universities. But yes I did mean:
" Because more people are still dying or by domestic terrorist than international? — Anaxagoras
Sounds like your a liberal elite. — christian2017
No way. People are killed in Israel all the time by terrorists. — christian2017
People are killed and maimed all through out europe by terrorists all the time and in the United States most people are murdered due to domestic crimes — christian2017
in the United States most people are murdered due to domestic crimes or gang warfare. — christian2017
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