But your definitions are weak and shoddy, and most people here appear to find them unacceptable for an edifying philosophical discourse. So they been attempting to clean up your mess. — Merkwurdichliebe
I think there is a difference between organisms with a central nervous system and those with a nerve net like starfish. I think that only organisms with a central nervous systems have some form of mind, or perspective of the world, where all the sensations come together, or overlap, and the world takes on an appearance relative to the senses.But in answer; it (starfish) can be both, depending on how it is considered. It has an umwelt or sensorium dominated by temperature gradients and the textural elements of water currents. The water around it is structurally similar to our own environment (in terms of the S/O distinction), impressing itself upon its sensory apparatus in a manner that reflects environmental properties. — fdrake
The problem: your definitions of subject and object are whack, lame, played-out doo doo. They have only confused things. — Merkwurdichliebe
Talk of Jupiter, for example, seems sufficient to use as an example in my argument for realism, and I've made clear what I mean by talking of the existence of Jupiter as something which is objective. — S
I think yours is about cultural identity: east/west, naturalism/supernaturalism. True? — frank
phenomenology is a response to the critical errors of empiricism. Phenomenology begins with the immediate, exactly where empiricism does. But instead of stopping there and getting lost in absolute doubt or solipsism, it introduces a dialectic that clarifies the subject-object distinction. — Merkwurdichliebe
That's just it, you haven't made it clear, and you saying you "made it clear" doesn't mean you have done so. And that is why you find everyone challenging you here. — Merkwurdichliebe
...the assumed stance of naturalism, which assumes the perspective of the subject, attempting to arrive at as objective a view as possible, through eliminating everything other than what can be quantified
...views the subject-object quantitatively, as occupying the extreme ends of a gradient, which in turn represents the varying degrees of subjectivity and objectivity. Truth is found in objectivity, so the less subjective one becomes, the closer he is to obtaing truth — Merkwurdichliebe
It is especially important, therefore, to keep an eye on their use in mundane contexts.
— Banno
What is the grounds for such a mandate besides personal preference concerning how philosophy should be practiced? — Merkwurdichliebe
The words subjective and objective are such that we are prone to allow them to lead us up and down various garden paths. It is especially important, therefore, to keep an eye on their use in mundane contexts. — Banno
That the process leads to muddles. Keep it simple. — Banno
And it is clear that you occupy the position described by Wayfarer:
...the assumed stance of naturalism, which assumes the perspective of the subject, attempting to arrive at as objective a view as possible, through eliminating everything other than what can be quantified
Or alternatively explaied, but identical in meaning
...views the subject-object quantitatively, as occupying the extreme ends of a gradient, which in turn represents the varying degrees of subjectivity and objectivity. Truth is found in objectivity, so the less subjective one becomes, the closer he is to obtaing truth
— Merkwurdichliebe — Merkwurdichliebe
we're still talking — Merkwurdichliebe
I don't try to reach as objective a view as possible. — S
And it gives me something to chew on while I watch the telly. — Banno
So what now? — Banno
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