each as true, real, meaningful, correct, right. — Rank Amateur
But it does not follow from this that disparate moral judgements are all seen, in any sense, as 'equally valid' by any single individual. — ChrisH
So here are the available moral options as I see them for this actual situation.
1. Both truth and morality are culturally relative:
The slave holders have the majority cultural belief and therefore their moral view that slavery is not immoral is the correct moral view, and then the same people held the incorrect immoral view when the majority of the culture changed
The abolitionists while not the cultural majority at this time, had the incorrect moral view that slavery was immoral, until the cultural majority view changed, and then they had the correct moral view. — Rank Amateur
4. The morality or immorality of slavery is an individual judgement.
All of us just make our own judgement -each as valid as the otherand it's right or wrong in a relative sense, and some judgements are better or worse than others in a relative sense also. — Rank Amateur
"Valid" in what sense, and from whose perspective? — ChrisH
Yeah, I've asked him that a few times, but we haven't managed to explore it at all yet. — Terrapin Station
Thanks, more interested in which view you support. — Rank Amateur
Answering this for myself: valid in the sense of being valid, and from the "perspective" of what being valid is and entails, i.e., the rules and their consequences. — tim wood
Did cultural relativism as you understand it allow certain cultures to judge slavery as morally acceptable? — Rank Amateur
i can't actually see how your caveat above is even possible - it would mean an individual would say the abolitionist and the slave holder have equal valid views according to his judgement - — Rank Amateur
It is wrong to even use the word "allow" in that context. You appear to be deeply stuck in your own problematic way of looking at things. It is possible under cultural relativism for cultures to judge slavery as morally acceptable, as it is possible under every single other meta-ethical position. — S
I am getting very tired of near every response on this board is becoming near pure semantics. — Rank Amateur
↪ChrisH not sure I can. It is very evident i have no ability at all to communicate effectively. And it is not important to the point I started this with. It was an aside. — Rank Amateur
I just want you to answer a question.
I will try again see if this is better.
Can you tell me how your view of cultural relativism applies to slavery? — Rank Amateur
It is like how you described, only without the problems. Slavery was right relative to the prevailing culture, and then it was wrong relative to the prevailing culture, but you don't get to say anything about correct or incorrect without being clear about what sense of correct and incorrect you're talking about. Every time that you fail to clarify your meaning on things like that, you are being a problem for everyone else in the discussion. — S
If you mean there's no non-subjective standard by which to assess disparate moral judgements, then yes, you're right. But it does not follow from this that disparate moral judgements are all seen, in any sense, as 'equally valid' by any single individual. — ChrisH
(note just added "cultural")Your view is there no truth statement we can make about the rightness or wrongness of slavery without the appropriate cultural reference. — Rank Amateur
Ok - i admit i am missing it, but in the thought that is in my head there is absolutely nothing different between your use of right and my use of correct. They are semantically equal to me.
That being as it is. Your view is there no truth statement we can make about the rightness or wrongness of slavery without the appropriate reference.
In that case I just disagree, which is fine. My view is slavery was always wrong, and the culture that allowed it was incorrect. — Rank Amateur
And it isn't fine to just disagree. You should concede that your position is unreasonable. That it is dogmatic. And then we can be over and done with this. — S
. Slavery was right relative to the prevailing culture, and then it was wrong relative to the prevailing culture — S
did i understand you right - would you agree this is your position?
Your view is that there is no truth statement that we can make about the rightness or wrongness of slavery without the appropriate cultural reference.
— Rank Amateur
(note just added "cultural")
you didn't get back to me on this one yet. — Rank Amateur
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