Nope. Try again. — Tzeentch

Stop bullshitting, what did he do wrong? You said “play stupid games” about him, so what games did he play to warrant being shot do death?

Why can’t you give a straight answer to what you yourself claimed? Law enforcement can only use deadly force if it is warranted, so please justify what you’re saying and say what he did wrong.

:point:

The guy resisted arrest, obviously - a pretty fucking dumb thing to do. Getting maced was his queue to lie down and live another day, but alas. — Tzeentch

Guy was carrying too. Like how suicidal can you get? — Tzeentch

I never said it was morally justified. — Tzeentch

Need me to hand you a dictionary too, bubba?

The guy resisted arrest, obviously - a pretty fucking dumb thing to do. — Tzeentch

What was the cause for arrest?

Guy was carrying too. Like how suicidal can you get? — Tzeentch

It was a legal carry, don’t you understand US laws?

I never said it was morally justified. — Tzeentch

So what are you saying then?

What did he do wrong? So far you’ve amounted to him carrying a weapon, which he legally had the right to do. So, you are essentially making up causes that doesn’t apply.

Trump, Vance, Miller – these are corrupted people. Their thugs murder an innocent man, and their response is to dishonestly defame the one who was murdered.

Miller posted that “an assassin tried to murder federal agents.” – and Vance reposted it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DT8GlKbDzsD/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

Dude, we saw the video.

Reminds me of a couple of quotes from George Orwell, the author of 1984 -

“Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. ”

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

The citizens of the USA are hurting, they are hurting badly. They feel their country is lost.

And what does Trump post this morning on his social media?

About his f*cking ballroom.

I’m building, on top of everything else that I am doing, one of the greatest and most beautiful Ballrooms anywhere in the World, with more than 300 Million Dollars of Great American Patriots’ money, and working closely with, right from the beginning, the United States Military and Secret Service. This is a GIFT (ZERO taxpayer funding!) to the United States of America, of 300 to 400 Million Dollars (depending on the scope and quality of interior finishes!), for a desperately needed space, sought for over 150 years by previous Presidents and Administrations, so that the White House would no longer be forced to use a cheap and unsafe “tent,” for big and important STATE EVENTS, Dinners, Meetings, Conferences, and already scheduled future INAUGURATIONS (for safety, security, and capacity purposes!), on a very wet, and subject to weather, White House lawn. Making such a large gift to the U.S.A. was thought to be, by almost everyone, “A WONDERFUL THING TO DO” — But no, as usual, I got sued, this time by the Radical Left National (No!)Trust for Historic Preservation, a group that couldn’t care less about our Country! All of the Structural Steel, Windows, Doors, A.C./Heating Equipment, Marble, Stone, Precast Concrete, Bulletproof Windows and Glass, Anti-Drone Roofing, and much more, has been ordered (or is ready to be), and there is no practical or reasonable way to go back. IT IS TOO LATE! Why didn’t these obstructionists and troublemakers bring their baseless lawsuit much earlier? Congress never tried, or wanted, to stop the Ballroom Project! Everyone knew what was taking place at the White House — A great, big, beautiful gift to the United States of America! For those that are interested, the tiny East Wing was so “bastardized” and changed, built and rebuilt over the years, that it bore no resemblance or relationship to the original building. The so-called “preservationists,” who get their money from the most unusual of places, should not be allowed to stop this desperately needed addition to our GREAT White House, a place that a President has never needed permission to change or enhance, because of the special grounds on which it sits, no matter how big (and important!), that enhancement may be. Additionally, in this instance, it is being done with the design, consent, and approval of the highest levels of the United States Military and Secret Service. The mere bringing of this ridiculous lawsuit has already, unfortunately, exposed this heretofore Top Secret fact. Stoppage of construction, at this late date, when so much has already been ordered and done, would be devastating to the White House, our Country, and all concerned. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP

This is exactly what they want. They know someone is filming. They know it riles up the rest of their cult, that they will hold vigils, make t-shirts, and engage in other collective displays of whatever you want to call this. They want to get hit. It’s why they stand in front of cars; it’s why they spit in faces: it’s why they scream in the ears of those authorized to use lethal force.

The glaring part of all of it is that it’s done in defense of criminal and immoral behavior. There are videos of people crying when pedophiles are captured, for Christ sake. Why don’t they ever protest for the innocent?

You present as clueless as Trump.

It's about fascism

Nothing to see here! Just a goon squad murdering protesters.

Now about January 6th being a tour and Ashli Babbitt being a martyr….



Total consistency from the cult.

so need to misconstrue the position of the first person who doesn't join in the handwringing. — Tzeentch

Right — it’s everyone else’s emotions. Coming in and saying something stupid, then pretending it’s somehow an obvious point, is pretty childish. We get it — you don’t really give a shit and aren’t worried. Next time it’s a Trumper I’m sure you’ll feel the same way. :wink:

They want to get hit. — NOS4A2

:rofl:

The Trump bootlicker strikes again with another honest and consistent take.

One says he deserved it, the other says he wanted it. This is what we’re dealing with folks.

You present as clueless as Trump.

It's about fascism

Fascists were always out in the streets protesting. Why don’t you guys just do a little putsch and be done with it?

Next time it’s a Trumper I’m sure you’ll feel the same way. — Mikie

Oh heavens no. I'd be sharing pictures of the Trumper standing in for Jesus. Guy did everything right to get himself unjustly shot - what unparalleled heroism.

Fascists were always out in the streets protesting. Why don’t you guys just do a little putsch and be done with it? — NOS4A2

Protesting is as American as apple pie.

Trump is a fascist, there can be no doubt.

Let’s first differentiate between patrimonialism, which is a style of governing - and fascism, which is a formal system or ideology. Trump surely fits patrimonialism – in that he treats the state as his personal property and family business.

But, as Jonathan Rauch writes – “Recent events have brought Trump’s governing style into sharper focus. Fascist best describes it, and reluctance to use the term has now become perverse.”

The Trump admin is characterized by these fascist tendencies (read the supporting evidence at the link) -

Demolition of norms.
Glorification of violence.
Might is right.
Politicized law enforcement.
Dehumanization.
Police-state tactics.
Undermining elections.
What’s private is public.
Attacks on news media.
Territorial and military aggression.
Transnational reach.
Blood-and-soil nationalism.
White and Christian nationalism.
Mobs and street thugs.
Leader aggrandizement.
Alternative facts.
Politics as war.
Governing as revolution.

In summary -

… what originally looked like an effort to make the government his personal plaything has drifted distinctly toward doctrinal and operational fascism. Trump’s appetite for lebensraum, his claim of unlimited power, his support for the global far right, his politicization of the justice system, his deployment of performative brutality, his ostentatious violation of rights, his creation of a national paramilitary police—all of those developments bespeak something more purposeful and sinister than run-of-the-mill greed or gangsterism…

His mindset, his symbolism, and his rhetoric all underscore the point he made to The New York Times this month: his own mind and morality are the only limits on his global power. This is Fascism 101.

Guy did everything right to get himself unjustly shot - what unparalleled heroism. — Tzeentch

Yeah, like walking around. Not to mention being held down by 4 guys. That definitely deserves being shot 10 times, unarmed.

These principles apply everywhere. All the Palestinians killed were terrorists — or did all the right things to get unjustly shot. But I’m definitely not a defender of state violence. One should just stay home, not protest, not carry a weapon legally, and (if one must go out) not be rude in any way. If you’re told you’re under arrest, for no reason, then immediately fall to the floor and remain motionless— you know, like all the January 6th “patriots” did. Otherwise it’s totally normal to get yourself shot 10 times.

Unless you’re on our side. Then reverse all that. States rights, 2nd amendment, unjust state violence, don’t tread on me, Biden is a dictator, etc etc.

Protesting? They are blocking streets, lighting fires, waving foreign flags, and making “trans autonomous zones”, all to defend those who defraud the American people, actual immigrants, and the communities illegals subvert. Imagine if a bunch of Trumpers did that. By all means, go protest—I would rather they did. But this is sheer lunacy and I hope residents put them down.

Protesting? They are blocking streets, lighting fires, waving foreign flags, — NOS4A2

Let me help you: just picture it’s a bunch of January 6th patriots. There— problem solved.

They are blocking streets, lighting fires, waving foreign flags, and making “trans autonomous zones”, — NOS4A2

Oh, is that why Alex Pretti got murdered?

Imagine if a bunch of Trumpers did that. — NOS4A2

Trump would pardon them

But this is sheer lunacy and I hope residents put them down. — NOS4A2

Spoken like a fascist

New rule:

The penalty for protesting wrong is death. Until a democrat is in office.

See? Defending criminals and endorsing violence in the streets. You’d make a good blackshirt.

See? Defending criminals and endorsing violence in the streets. You’d make a good blackshirt. — NOS4A2

You make no sense.

You make no sense. — Questioner

They would have made great Nazi sympathizers.

They would have made great Nazi sympathizers. — Mikie

I have had a disturbing thought - that the ones justifying the murder of Alex Pretti are the ones who would have marched people to the gas chambers.

Americans live there, work there, and have to deal with this violence every day. Why won’t these insurrectionists stand up for them, and not the people who defraud the immigrations system? I’m just suggesting you guys are wrong.

who defraud the immigrations system? — NOS4A2

Oh my dear innocent, this has nothing to do with immigration

Oh my dear innocent, this has nothing to do with immigration

Do you know what ICE stands for? Do you head to the streets, riot in the Canadian streets, when they deport illegals and foreign criminals?

Back when Tom Homan did the same thing under Obama, and on a greater scale, he was given awards and glowing reviews. Now he’s a fascist. So clearly there is no principle involved here at all, so it’s just the defense of criminality and the tacit belligerence towards the law abiding taxpayer.

Back when Tom Homan did the same thing under Obama, and on a greater scale, he was given awards and glowing reviews. Now he’s a fascist. So clearly there is no principle involved here at all, so it’s just the defense of criminality and the tacit belligerence towards the law abiding taxpayer. — NOS4A2

You haven't given a reply to my post about Trump's fascism

I have had a disturbing thought - that the ones justifying the murder of Alex Pretti are the ones who would have marched people to the gas chambers. — Questioner

Indeed. But at least that would stick it to the libs.

Videos of an event aren’t always definitive, but this is how it looks to us. Pretti attempted, foolishly, to assist a woman who had been pepper-sprayed by agents. Multiple agents then tackled Pretti, and he had a phone in one hand as he lay on the ground. An agent discovered a concealed gun on Pretti, and disarmed him. An agent then shot Pretti, and multiple shots followed.

The Trump Administration spin on this simply isn’t believable. Stephen Miller, the political architect of the mass deportation policy, called Pretti a “domestic terrorist.” He was a nurse without a criminal record.

Kristi Noem, the Homeland Security secretary, said the fact that he carried a gun and (she said) two magazines, meant he “arrived at the scene to inflict maximum damage on individuals and to kill law enforcement.”

But he had a license to carry a gun, which was legally concealed, not carried in his hand as some claimed. He was carrying his phone. To hear the ardent gun-rights advocates of the Trump Administration claim he had malicious intentions because he carried a concealed weapon is bizarre.

Pretti made a tragic mistake by interfering with ICE agents, but that warranted arrest, not a death sentence. The agents may say they felt threatened, but it’s worth noting the comments over the weekend by police around the country who say that this isn’t how they conduct law enforcement.

Either many ICE agents aren’t properly trained, or they are so on edge as they face opposition in the streets that they are on a hair trigger. Either way, this calls for rethinking how ICE conducts itself, especially in Minneapolis as tensions build.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/time-for-ice-to-pause-in-minneapolis-e9ecf097?mod=mhp

Wall Street journal editorial page. Even these climate-denying imbeciles have an ounce of integrity at least. Can’t say the same for a few members here— but they still provide laughs.

Washington Post shows video of the gun being removed by an ICE agent prior to the murder.

It was tucked in to the back of his belt. It was not being brandished.