The annoying thing about having a thread for Trump and a thread for Biden is that the two are barely distinguishable except for how comfortable one of them makes liberals. A nice merged one on conservative American Imperial leaders would be cool. Doesn't help that one of them is simply a caretaker president for the other.

Is that what Marxism does? Well, yes, we need that. — frank

Yeah, but not all the time. It's also not a very practical theory.

Yeah, but not all the time. It's also not a very practical theory. — Wheatley

All I know is that it predicted a global proletariat revolution and that never happened and isn't likely to now.

The liberals ground Marxism into the dirt and pooped on it.

The liberals ground Marxism into the dirt and pooped on it. — frank

I'm not too crazy about liberalism either. :meh:

I'm not too crazy about liberalism either. :meh: — Wheatley

I admire them in a Nietschean sort of way. They're winners.

They're winners. — frank

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bandwagon

Nietzsche

Don't care.

It's funny 'cause Nietzsche was a notorious loser. Probably the original incel.

A nice merged one on conservative American Imperial leaders would be cool. — StreetlightX

Oh, you think that Americans could talk about the Democrats and Republicans together as an entity? Hah! Hard for others too.

You underestimate how successful the two parties have been in establishing a partisan divide between them.

You underestimate how successful the two parties have been in establishing a partisan divide between them. — ssu

Yeah gee it's not like I talk about it all the time yeah real underestimating.

Right now I think the most lovely thing to watch is liberals get mad about Sinema and Manchin. As if they are not playing the roles dictated to them by the democratic party apparatus to a tee. Biden probably couldn't be happier. Meanwhile liberal rags will churn out article after article about their 'obstructionism'. The democratics will likely be utterly relieved when they get wiped out in the mid-terms. They can go back to blaming Republicans for things and not their own totally-in-agreement agenda.

Yeah gee it's not like I talk about it all the time yeah real underestimating. — StreetlightX

Is it as bad your country?

You do have more parties than the US with labor party and even a green party.

Is it as bad your country? — ssu

What do you mean?

All I know is that it predicted a global proletariat revolution and that never happened and isn't likely to now. — frank

Marx isn't consistent on that at all actually. Like many things he did evolve his thinking and didn't think a revolution would be likely or necessary.

Marxism ground Marxism into dirt, not to the mention the millions of people buried beneath it’s rubble. If the bourgeois, unclean, and philandering Marx was able to foresee the disasters performed in his name, I wager he would have written otherwise.

There hardly was any liberalism. The only thing liberal about what we have now is perhaps the rhetoric used to goad people into accepting increasing paternalistic statism and compulsory cooperation. The self-styled Liberal is taken at the face value of his pretensions, and policies which are put forth as Liberal are accepted in the same unreflecting way. See any Liberal party in the commonwealth.

At any rate, Biden is none of those. He, like other state careerists, is but a figurehead for a cabal of effete busybodies who want nothing more than to advance the state’s, and thus their own, interests.

Of all the things that pertain in and to you life, how many and what do you provide? And lacking them, being thrown back onto yourself for all things, what would your life look like? The idea being of course that the state, not perfect, is better than any alternative, excepting for those who wish to live Hobbesian lives as wild men. Is that you, nos4?

Marxism ground Marxism into dirt, not to the mention the millions of people buried beneath it’s rubble — NOS4A2

Somewhere around 60 million between China and Russia.

Their lives and the reasons for their deaths should be recognized, like all victims.

At any rate, Biden is none of those. He, like other state careerists, is but a figurehead for a cabal of effete busybodies who want nothing more than to advance the state’s, and thus their own, interests. — NOS4A2

He's a politician.

I would love to give the Libertarian everything on their dream-sheet for one year. But no tweaking their way back to socialism during that year, as reality began to set in. Once their bed is made, they have to sleep in it for a year. :rofl:

Marxism ground Marxism into dirt, not to the mention the millions of people buried beneath it’s rubble. If the bourgeois, unclean, and philandering Marx was able to foresee the disasters performed in his name, I wager he would have written otherwise. — NOS4A2

Communism does that. Marxism is just a philosophical doctrine that many authoritarian governments have historically incorporated into their ideology. There's nothing inherently wrong with Marxism.

There hardly was any liberalism. The only thing liberal about what we have now is perhaps the rhetoric used to goad people into accepting increasing paternalistic statism and compulsory cooperation. The self-styled Liberal is taken at the face value of his pretensions, and policies which are put forth as Liberal are accepted in the same unreflecting way. See any Liberal party in the commonwealth. — NOS4A2

We know about classical liberalism. You are not stating anything new or interesting here.

At any rate, Biden is none of those. He, like other state careerists, is but a figurehead for a cabal of effete busybodies who want nothing more than to advance the state’s, and thus their own, interests. — NOS4A2

That's a very cynical view. It's easy to go with the popular trope that X politician is evil and dishonest or selfish. All politicians now are subject to constant vilification by some "news" agency or partisan hacks. Again, nothing interesting here. Go join the echo chamber. I'm sure there's a Reddit page just for you.

“Will we act? Will we do what is necessary? Will we seize the enormous opportunity before us? Or will we condemn future generations to suffer?”

Biden cruised around Europe with his 85-car convoy and then lectured the proles about climate change.

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-11-01/napping-at-cop26-and-85-car-convoy-the-optic-challenge-of-bidens-climate-image

Biden cruised around Europe with his 85-car convoy and then lectured the proles about climate change. — NOS4A2

I've taught you, several times, why that is an illogical and fundamentally stupid argument. I guess it comes with being you.

Defending a politician’s hypocrisy should be beneath you, but you can’t help it. One of these days the dissonance will overwhelm you.

Defending a politician’s hypocrisy should be beneath you, but you can’t help it. One of these days the dissonance will overwhelm you. — NOS4A2

Again, I taught you why that is the false and lazy charge of hypocrisy. The only thing up for debate is whether you know this, and only use it because you know it is effective with stupid people, or if you actually believe it yourself because you are stupid. Can you shed some light on that?

Defending a politician’s hypocrisy should be beneath you — NOS4A2

Says the guy who defended Trump for four years. :rofl:

You haven’t taught me anything. Your first mistake was believing you had wisdom to depart with. If you want to defend Biden’s actions just do it.

Uh oh someone all of a sudden doesn’t care about the environment when Biden’s involved.

You haven’t taught me anything. — NOS4A2

Correction: I have taught you repeatedly. But you have not learned. So you answered my question: you actually believe this. When I think about it, it makes sense. After all, there is no one here for you to persuade with the argument. It's not like you are Tucker Carlson who got the vax and persuaded the stupid people not to. There are no stupid people here hanging on your every word. Thus, it must be you. Got it, thanks for clearing that up: You haven't learned anything that I've taught you.

our first mistake was believing you had wisdom to depart with. — NOS4A2

My first mistake was thinking you could be taught. I guess they are right when they say "You can't fix stupid."

If you want to defend Biden’s actions just do it. — NOS4A2

His actions, unlike Trump's, don't need defending. Like I said, I already taught you about how illogical and fundamentally stupid your false and lazy charge of hypocrisy is. Funny you don't see that. Hmmm.

You haven’t taught me anything. My eyes get heavy about two clauses into you self-concerned drivel, so I may have long stopped paying attention by the time you made your argument.

So here is your chance: what is wrong with what I believe?

It's true that Biden is not hypocritical because by no measure does he gave a rat's about the environment.