If you don't watch this and you still think you can discuss CV, you disqualify yourself from discussing CV. Basically on the continuity of the 2008 crisis with the current one, and how Trump may well stymie the last available mechanism for economic revival out of sheer ineptitude.

@fdrake

James Bullard says the unemployment rate will hit 30 percent. A great depression is 25 percent. :groan:

"Authorities have suggested the US is on track to eventually overtake China’s nearly 82,000 infections." [from article] — Michael

I'm giving it three days.

Probably not a good idea for Trump to start easing restrictions. — Michael

The spread of the virus must be brought under control first - the alternative is many unnecessary deaths.

The spread of the virus must be brought under control first - the alternative is many unnecessary deaths.
1m — Andrew M

Until we can start testing communities we won't know where herd immunity exists. If we can ID those people, we can send them to our front lines of needs.

The idea that the reaction will be worse than the disease is becoming more and more likely.

Pretty sure there won't be herd immunity until there's a vaccine. And in the case of coronavirus 29–74% of the population need to be immunised.

Spell this out. If you're comparing misery to misery - parroting word-for-word a certain shitstain in chief - what is the threshold of deaths at which you'd be prepared to countenance reversing the 'reaction'? How many can or should die? You can round to the nearest ten thousandth if you like. A percentage of population will do too. Answer with a number or don't answer at all.

Spell this out. If you're comparing misery to misery - parroting word-for-word a certain shitstain in chief - what is the threshold of deaths at which you'd be prepared to countenance reversing the 'reaction'? How many can or should die? You can round to the nearest ten thousandth if you like. A percentage of population will do too. Answer with a number or don't answer at all..

Children are largely unlikely to be affected by the disease itself but we are going to hand them an economy that we’ve ruined. No amount of technocratic number-crunching and chart-viewing can avoid that.

Answer the fucking question.

I don’t have an answer.

Probably not a good idea for Trump to start easing restrictions. — Michael

I dont think it is Trump alone who decides that on a whim. You can be pretty sure he has expert virologists who are looking at the situation and know more about it than you or I.

Of course you don't you spineless git.

Do you?

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There’s my answer.

I'll take inconsistency. It's better than barbarism.

Barbarism? The impotent notion that questioning the authoritarian responses of governments is tantamount to wanting people dead is utter nonsense.

Pretty sure there won't be herd immunity until there's a vaccine. — Michael

Herd immunity can be created by just having the virus spread through communities, which is what we're doing.

The idea that the reaction will be worse than the disease is becoming more and more likely. — NOS4A2

We'll see.

Herd immunity can be created by just having the virus spread through communities, which is what we're doing. — frank

That seems counterproductive. Herd immunity is a protection against spread. We want herd immunity to stop the disease from spreading.

That seems counterproductive. Herd immunity is a protection against spread. We want herd immunity to stop the disease from spreading. — Michael

A vaccine creates immunity by subjecting a person to parts of the virus. This stimulates an immune response, so when the person is exposed to the real virus, the immune system doesn't have to ramp up. It's ready to deploy. This is exactly the state of a person who's already had the virus.

We want the disease to spread so that we get herd immunity. Once we have that, vulnerable people will be less likely to get it because there are fewer active infections near them.

The U.K.’s Coronavirus ‘Herd Immunity’ Debacle

Herd immunity is typically generated through vaccination, and while it could arise through widespread infection, “you don’t rely on the very deadly infectious agent to create an immune population,” says Akiko Iwasaki, a virologist at the Yale School of Medicine. And that seemed like the goal. In interviews, Vallance and others certainly made it sound like the government was deliberately aiming for 60 percent of the populace to fall ill. Keep calm and carry on … and get COVID-19.

That is not the plan.

“People have misinterpreted the phrase herd immunity as meaning that we’re going to have an epidemic to get people infected,” says Graham Medley at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. Medley chairs a group of scientists who model the spread of infectious diseases and advise the government on pandemic responses. He says that the actual goal is the same as that of other countries: flatten the curve by staggering the onset of infections. As a consequence, the nation may achieve herd immunity; it’s a side effect, not an aim.

Do you want me to explain anymore about it, or are you happy with the understanding you have?

I'm happy with my understanding. And my understanding is that you have it wrong. We're not trying to create a herd immunity by promoting the spread of the disease.

Cool

Disturbing, however, perhaps he paints a dire landscape in order to garner support for Diem25?

This is about corporate panic over bottom lines, not authoritarian government, and only idiots are consistently suckered into thinking the latter is where the stakes lie in this current debate - much to the delight of those same corporations.

As far as numbers go, it seems like the those who'd ape the president's just-thinking-aloud about the keeping the US 'open for business' are, in practice, willing to forgo roughly 600,000 lives. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-23/economic-shutdown-is-estimated-to-save-600-000-american-lives

Because fuck old and sick people lol.

Oh he's undoubtably doing that - but it's not just that. His analysis of 2008 are consistent with what he wrote in his books on the topic long before he become a founding member of Diem.

Because fuck old and sick people lol. — StreetlightX

Shove it up your ass you fucking retard.