• Wayfarer
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    Having Corbyn leading the opposition is, I don't know, having Neville Chamberlain in charge of the Battle of Britain. They sorely need a charismatic Remainer. (Like the US sorely needs a charismatic alternative president.)
  • Wayfarer
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    although I now realise the above remark really should have been posted in the Brexit thread.
  • Punshhh
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    I would prefer Corbyn to Johnson, because we would have some welcome policies enacted. His lack of leadership as it comes across in the media is preferable than the buffoonery irrespective of the policies. Actually as a government I would expect the Labour Party to do well and work diligently towards repairing an ailing economy following 10 years of Tory austerity.

    I would point out that the way Corbyn is depicted in the British media Including on the BBC is over critical and biased in favour of an accepted view amongst the intelligentsia/establishment that he is bad news, an extreme socialist, Marxist( in the most negative sense)* and that his government would pretty much bankrupt the country, drown us in debt, be chaotic and disorganised and bring back overbearing unions etc etc. Such views, although often watered down, are widely accepted as fact in the UK amongst large swathes of the population. This bias has persisted from the 1970's and is rarely challenged in the media and many left wing commentators are largely disregarded as lefties.

    In reality it would begin to bring back some sorely needed balance in the running of the country, which has become unequal, exploitative etc, with public services in a state of bankruptcy. It left us over exposed in the financial crisis, with most of the population just about managing, teetering on the edge of defaulting on their mortgages, or loans( so you can see how sorely we need a no deal Brexit).

    *I didn't even mention the slurs about a Corbyn foreign policy. Which are in the realms of he is dangerous( wear as Johnson is not), is probably in the pocket of Putin and could not be trusted to push the nuclear button if the country was under attack.
  • Wayfarer
    8.1k
    I suppose Corbyn seems vastly more authentic than the current occupant but I must say the prevailing narrative has persuaded me that he would be too far to the left. (It’s a shane Blair blew his credibility supporting W.) I hope some white knight materialises.
  • Wayfarer
    8.1k
    One of the things I hate about Brexit is the kinds of people who think it’s a great idea. And actually a point against Corbyn is his equivocation over the issue.
  • Punshhh
    643
    Yes, Corbyn is a true socialist and a long way left of the current administration, or perhaps what might be desirable. However I think the state of the nation is so unbalanced, so skewed against any social equality, so rampant exploitation of people who are vulnerable through a lack of resources. The welfare state is so under resourced, squeezed and on its knees, that the only way to restore any balance and equality, to bring us back from the brink of some sort of social/cultural breakdown would be to move radically towards the left and bring some relief for those who are struggling and being exploited.

    I expect you are aware of how inflated property prices discriminate against the under resourced. In the UK the housing crisis is fuelling a rapid increase in the gap between the rich and the poor. Leaving anyone who is not a property owner exploited by those who do and the redistribution of the poor into sink towns and estates and the well off gentrifying idillic villages and desirable areas. These forces are exploited through contemporary forms of capitalism and corporate interests. This alongside the way in which the wealthy and corporations syphon of wealth and profits offshore, is bleeding the society dry.

    We really do need this state of affairs rectifying , rather than being fuelled by a trade deal with the US.
  • Wayfarer
    8.1k
    Oh I think the benefits of the US trade deal is just more puffery by Trump and his toadies. That’s what I meant when I said that I don’t like the people who wave the Brexit flag. I mean, Trump’s so-called trade war with China appears to be producing nothing of benefit, so why a free trade deal with the UK ought to do so is far from obvious.
  • Baden
    8.2k
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/08/12/boris-johnson-doesnt-want-no-deal-brexit-he-wants-to-win-an-election-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-election-cummings/
    "[BoJo is] bluffing both sides of the Brexit divide at home in an attempt to consolidate the Leave vote and provoke his opponents into saving him from the near-certain catastrophe of a no-deal Brexit, which would threaten to destroy the Tories’ reputation for economic competence for a generation. Leaving the EU was never Johnson’s priority: It was seizing power. And now that he’s moved into Downing Street, Johnson will do everything he can to stay there."
  • S
    10.7k
    Yes, Corbyn is a true socialist and a long way left of the current administration, or perhaps what might be desirable. However I think the state of the nation is so unbalanced, so skewed against any social equality, so rampant exploitation of people who are vulnerable through a lack of resources. The welfare state is so under resourced, squeezed and on its knees, that the only way to restore any balance and equality, to bring us back from the brink of some sort of social/cultural breakdown would be to move radically towards the left and bring some relief for those who are struggling and being exploited.

    I expect you are aware of how inflated property prices discriminate against the under resourced. In the UK the housing crisis is fuelling a rapid increase in the gap between the rich and the poor. Leaving anyone who is not a property owner exploited by those who do and the redistribution of the poor into sink towns and estates and the well off gentrifying idillic villages and desirable areas. These forces are exploited through contemporary forms of capitalism and corporate interests. This alongside the way in which the wealthy and corporations syphon of wealth and profits offshore, is bleeding the society dry.

    We really do need this state of affairs rectifying , rather than being fuelled by a trade deal with the US.
    Punshhh

    Yes, in short, the Overton window is in dire need of a leftward shift. Perhaps now more than ever.
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