• mpc755
    10
    In de Broglie's double solution theory there are two waves. There is the wave-function wave which is statistical, non-physical and is used to determine the probabilistic results of experiments. It is a mathematical construct only. It doesn't physically exist. There is also a physical wave in a “subquantic medium” which guides the particle.

    NON LINEAR WAVE MECHANICS by LOUIS DE BROGLIE

    Since 1954, when this passage was written, I have come to support wholeheartedly an hypothesis proposed by Bohm and Vigier.

    According to this hypothesis, the random perturbations to which the particle would be constantly subjected, and which would have the probability of presence in terms of [the wave-function wave], arise from the interaction of the particle with a “subquantic medium” which escapes our observation and is entirely chaotic, and which is everywhere present in what we call “empty space”.
    — Louis de Broglie

    De Broglie’s “subquantic medium” could be the superfluid dark matter.

    Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE

    When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles.

    any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous “energetic contact” with a hidden medium

    For me, the particle, precisely located in space at every instant, forms on the v wave a small region of high energy concentration, which may be likened in a first approximation, to a moving singularity.

    the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave
    — Louis De Broglie

    If the notion of clumpy dark matter is mistaken for the state of displacement of the dark matter, then particles of ordinary matter move through and displace the strongly interacting dark matter, causing it to wave.

    In a double slit experiment it would be the strongly interacting dark matter that waves.

    In the following video the silicon bath represents the chaotic strongly interacting dark matter. In the video, in the double slit experiment example, the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave passes through both.

    https://youtu.be/WIyTZDHuarQ

    In a double slit experiment the particle always travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the strongly interacting dark matter passes through both. As the wave exits the slits it creates wave interference which alters the direction the particle travels as it exits a single slit. Over time the particles form an interference pattern. Strongly detecting the particle exiting a single slit destroys the cohesion between the particle and its associated wave, the particle continues on the trajectory it was traveling and does not form an interference pattern.

    It is the chaotic nature of the strongly interacting dark matter which causes the Casimir effect.

    https://youtu.be/Dv8IRx43vy0

    It is the chaotic nature of the dark matter which leads to the probabilistic results of experiments.

    In the following articles the fluid is the strongly interacting dark matter.

    Fluid mechanics suggests alternative to quantum orthodoxy

    The fluidic pilot-wave system is also chaotic. It’s impossible to measure a bouncing droplet’s position accurately enough to predict its trajectory very far into the future. But in a recent series of papers, Bush, MIT professor of applied mathematics Ruben Rosales, and graduate students Anand Oza and Dan Harris applied their pilot-wave theory to show how chaotic pilot-wave dynamics leads to the quantumlike statistics observed in their experiments. — Larry Hardesty

    When Fluid Dynamics Mimic Quantum Mechanics

    If you have a system that is deterministic and is what we call in the business ‘chaotic,’ or sensitive to initial conditions, sensitive to perturbations, then it can behave probabilistically,” Milewski continues. “Experiments like this weren’t available to the giants of quantum mechanics. They also didn’t know anything about chaos. Suppose these guys — who were puzzled by why the world behaves in this strange probabilistic way — actually had access to experiments like this and had the knowledge of chaos, would they have come up with an equivalent, deterministic theory of quantum mechanics, which is not the current one? That’s what I find exciting from the quantum perspective. — John W. M. Bush
  • Andrew M
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    New experimental findings cast doubt on DeBroglie ‘pilot wave’ theoryWayfarer

    Nice find. It's worth noting that the walking droplet experiments provide interesting quantum analogies (and intuitions) for pilot wave theories. But a modern pilot wave theory like Bohmian Mechanics posits a hidden nonlocal mechanism for guiding the particles and doesn't depend on the outcome of those experiments.
  • Wayfarer
    20.6k
    I ran across it, and thought it better to pin it here rather than start a new thread. (I was alerted to the original 'walking droplet' experiments via the excellent PBS youtube documentaries on quantum mechanics.)

    Incidentally, on the topic, I picked up What Is Real?: The Unfinished Quest for the Meaning of Quantum Physics by Adam Becker on a recent trip to the US. I thought it was very well-written and researched, and was also delighted to find that I completely disagreed with it - specifically the argument that Einstein - the scientific realist - was right all along, while Bohr and Heisenberg were stubborn obscurantists (Becker seems to have real disdain for Heisenberg, in particular, which I kind of understand, as he was after all conscripted into the Nazi atomic program.) But overall, the more I read about it, the more I am convinced of the soundness of the Copenhagen interpretation. (Not that I want to start another argument about it, they invariably end up going around in circles.)
  • Andrew M
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    Anil Ananthaswamy's Through Two Doors at Once: The Elegant Experiment That Captures the Enigma of Our Quantum Reality also looks interesting. Especially if it lives up to the following reviewer's claims:

    Ananthaswamy’s introduction of increasingly complex versions of the slit experiment proves extremely effective. Halfway through the book, even neophytes will likely find predicting the outcome of the delayed-choice quantum eraser experiment barely harder than figuring out the motions of a gear train. This approach also brings to the forefront the strengths and weaknesses of various interpretations, offering a perfectly balanced overview of each.Science journal review
  • Wayfarer
    20.6k
    Thanks. Anathaswamy wrote some great New Scientist articles on delayed choice and related subjects - I used to subscrib.
  • id-entity
    3
    According to Bell's theorem "No physical theory of local hidden variables can ever reproduce all of the predictions of quantum mechanics."

    Existence of dark matter is postulated by observations about gravitational effects, and gravity is generally considered to be local, ie. subluminal force.

    Under these premisses nonlocal supraluminal hidden variable can't be a local subluminal force.
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