Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)

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‘Donald Trump has attacked Rupert Murdoch in a blistering statement, accusing him of betraying his Fox News television hosts by admitting that he doubted their conclusions about the 2020 election.

“Why is Rupert Murdoch throwing his anchors under the table,” the former US president posted to his platform Truth Social.’

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/trump-attacks-murdoch-for-throwing-his-anchors-under-the-table-20230302-p5cor5.html

Trial hasn’t even started yet!
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I think Trumpy got his idioms mixed up. He wants the anchors to be under the table (with their secrets).
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Remember when Rupert Murdoch was supposed to be some puppet master? He cannot even control his own employees. Another conspiracy theory turned nothingburger.
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Even the mighty Rupert abases himself for the holy $. • 4.2k Murdoch saying he doubted their conclusions does not mean he cannot control his own employees. The news hosts themselves doubt the truth of what they reported. It is not about the truth. It is about pandering to their viewers. It may be that this puppet master story is like a version of Pinocchio. • 6.8k Who cares? After years of Russia collusion, Covid propaganda, Ukraine warmongering, January 6th handwringings, and all the deep-state dinner theater news outlets have spoon-fed us these past few years, I’m now supposed to give a hoot over Murdoch disagreeing with Fox News anchors about the results of an election? • 4.2k I’m now supposed to give a hoot over Murdoch disagreeing with Fox News anchors about the results of an election? He did not disagree with them. Fox News knowingly peddles lies about the election. Is there any evidence that he attempted to stop them? Now you may not give a hoot that a major "news" network did this, but it is a serious matter. It is not simply that what the claimed turned out to be wrong, they were well aware that it was not the truth. • 6.8k I honestly don’t care because everything to the anti-Trump brigade is a serious matter until one looks closely. Every conspiracy theory regarding Trump, whether it was Russia collusion or his tax returns, have been massively and comically overstated, and as a result has turned justice into nonsense, journalism into a joke, politics into circuses, and the US into clown world. It’s gotten so bad that one can adopt a contrary belief without any evidence to do so and he’ll be right most of the time. • 4.2k Spoken like a true Trumpster. Dear Leader would be pleased by your loyalty. Despite Trump's claim that there was no collusion and Barr's attempt to sweep it under the rug, the Mueller investigation did not exonerate him. Whether you call it collusion or something else, the Senate Intelligence Committee found clear evidence of cooperation between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. Here is a summary of the findings. But you can safely ignore it because by your logic Trump and his campaign did no wrong. As to tax evasion, the Trump Organization was found guilty of fraud and fined 1.6 million dollars. There are several ongoing cases. I won't go into any of it because by your logic, despite whatever the facts reveal, you are right to conclude he did nothing wrong and you are likely to be right. • 6.8k Again I could care less about any of your propaganda. Fact is, all these investigations and conspiracy theories over the years and he has yet to be found guilty of anything, despite your assumptions of guilt. But, like a true fanatic, you double your efforts long after you have forgotten your aim. • 4.2k Again I could care less about any of your propaganda. The Senate Intelligence Committee findings, led by eight Republicans and seven Democrats. are not my "propaganda". The fact that the Trump Organization was found guilty of fraud is not my "propaganda". The grand jury's indictment recommendations in the Georgia investigation into election interference are not my "propaganda". • 5.7k In new campaign promises Trump wants to take government owned land and build 10 new “freedom cities” on it. If I remember right they do things like that in communist China and they sometimes end up “ghost cities”. Maybe it won’t seem as communistic if he also promises that Mexico will pay for the cities. • 12.4k Real Estate Developer in Chief • 11.6k Again I could care less about any of your propaganda. — NOS4A2 The Senate Intelligence Committee findings, led by eight Republicans and seven Democrats. are not my "propaganda". The fact that the Trump Organization was found guilty of fraud is not my "propaganda". The grand jury's indictment recommendations in the Georgia investigation into election interference are not my "propaganda". :up: :up: :up: Just a guess, but I've always had a strong suspicion, based soley on his/her posts, that @NOS4A2 is someone who desperately needs to be lied to by FOX Noise, OANN, Newsmax, Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, Pravda (RT) and other wingnut media. :mask: Here's some more "propaganda" for NOS: Making Attorneys Get Attorneys :victory: :smirk: • 11.6k @NOS4A2 & others MAGAs who love to be lied to We are very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can't wait. I hate him passionately. That's the last four years. We're all pretending we've got a lot to show for it, because admitting what a disaster it's been is too tough to digest. But come on. There really isn't an upside to Trump. — Tucker Carlson, the FOX Noise paid actor, Jan. 4, 2021, from Dominion defamation lawsuit • 6.8k I think you guys are just mad at the guy because he exposed the extent of the propaganda you’ve been fed for years in one single segment. So you have to sift through one or two out of context texts for gossip. No matter; I’ll listen to the worst propagandist before I consider a peep from any busybody. • 11.6k :lol: Denial is a helluva drug! It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. — Mark Twain • 12k Trump says he expects to be arrested on Tuesday Former US President Donald Trump says he is expecting to be arrested on Tuesday in a case about alleged hush money paid to an ex-porn star. Mr Trump called on his supporters to protest against such a move in a post on his Truth Social platform. One of Mr Trump's lawyers said his claim was based on media reports that he could be indicted next week. • 4.2k What form does he want and expect these protests to take? Given what has happened in the past, it does not seem likely that they would be peaceful. But this is typical of Trump. It is clear that he does not want his day in court. Above all else is the court of public opinion. But in a selective rather than general sense, that is, limited to the opinion of his followers. • 6.8k It’s typical of his critics to erect some sort of show-trial for political purposes. Impeachments, J6 hearings (complete with a television producer from ABC), raiding his home, multiple investigations and civil suits, and now thinks he might be arrested by a Manhattan district attorney (of course). This is the deep-state dinner theater that has made Trump a folk devil in the eyes of the establishment base. • 4.2k It’s typical of his critics It is typical of apologists such as yourself to jump to Trump's defense by making vague accusations that portray him as an innocent treated unfairly by the media, the courts, politicians, and anyone else who, because they dare to question the legality of Trump's actions, are part of a deep state conspiracy. the establishment base ? Empty rhetoric. Trump, his Republican supporters, Fox News, the Federalist society, big money supporters are all entrenched part of "the establishment". • 14.3k FAKE NEWS ACCUSATIONS ARE FAKE NEWS! I DID NOT DO IT BECAUSE NO TRUE ME DID IT! DO NOT BELIEVE FAKE NEWS PROSECOTURS OF NEW YORK! EAT MORE ICE CREAM! WHEN I AM PRESIDENT ICE CREAM WILL BE FREE AND SO WILL I! PROTEST NOW OR THEY WILL JAIL ICE CREEM FOR LIFE! • 11.6k FOX Noise just got hit with a second defamation suit for$2.7 billion by Smartmatic (adding to Dominion Voting Machine's \$1.6 billion defamation lawsuit) and "Individual-1" was notified that he's imminently becoming "Defendent-1" :clap: . Belated Happy St. Paddy's! :party:

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Trump, his Republican supporters... are all entrenched part of "the establishment".

No, I don't think so.
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Trump, his Republican supporters... are all entrenched part of "the establishment".
— Fooloso4

No, I don't think so.

I think so. Rather in the same way that a corrupt policeman is still a member of the police.
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think so. Rather in the same way that a corrupt policeman is still a member of the police.

Broadly speaking, he's an anti-establishment figure. He was a perfect rendition of the demagogue who leads the fight against the establishment. In this case, the establishment is neoliberal, so MAGA was about taking the country back to somewhere around 1965 when embedded liberalism assured the average white guy a good job with benefits.

It wasn't a good look when Obama and Clinton tried to explain that we can't go back. That assured that they'd be taken as exactly what they are: representatives of the establishment.

Another hint is that establishment figures don't try to arrange coups.
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Another hint is that establishment figures don't try to arrange coups.

That's like saying that policemen do not commit crimes. Dangerous falsehood. Hitler came to power democratically and then established his dictatorship. Likewise any revolutionary government comes to power in a coup and immediately becomes established or is overthrown by a counter coup by the disestablished establishment. Trump is a corrupt member of the establishment, seeking to exploit the establishment and resentment of the establishment in equal measure and with no loyalty to either.
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That's like saying that policemen do not commit crimes.

I guess we're thinking of different meanings of "establishment.". Today's establishment is those college kids who wrestled with the police at Kent State. Clinton was very progressive in her youth and then became part of the new establishment. It's not about authority or policing anything. If anything, our establishment is "let the markets do what they want and defund aid to the inner cities.". That's what both Clinton and her husband ultimately stood for.

I know it's hard to think of Trump as the leader of the young rabble rousers, but he actually is. He was elected in part by refugees from the Democratic party. It didn't turn out well. He didn't strike a particularly heroic pose, but he did reveal a well of frustration with, and anger toward...

the establishment.

Likewise any revolutionary government comes to power in a coup and immediately becomes established or is overthrown by a counter coup by the disestablished establishment.

I'm sure Trump would have liked to establish his own ment. He wanted to be a dictator.
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He was a perfect rendition of the demagogue who leads the fight against the establishment.

His anti-establishment rhetoric helped to get him elected, but he is no "man of the people". He is every bit the kind of elite he rails against.

the establishment is neoliberal

Trump is neoliberal.
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