• DingoJones
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    Perhaps some people suffer from Trump Derangement syndrome after all huh? :wink:
  • praxis
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    No, it was a PST (public senior tantrum).
  • Wheatley
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    There's a biological basis to agism. :cool:
  • DingoJones
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    Try that sentence with a different “ism” in it. Suddenly not so shades worthy huh?
  • Wheatley
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    Nice one.

    I'm not really an ageist. Sorry if I offended any old people on this thread.
  • tim wood
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    I am not disagreeing with you, nor arguing, nor was I there, nor do I know the person. But consider that in Fla. there may still even be holocaust survivors, and they may know exactly what they're talking about. That is, maybe they know a “fucking nazi fascist pig” when they see one.. That is, if you must judge, maybe judge on a factual basis, not on your sensitivities.
  • Anaxagoras
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    I'm curious what you guys think of this:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-white-power-retweet-set-011126104.html

    For those that support Trump if you've ever questioned whether Trump was a racist this video and him retweeting it and glorifying it clearly shows where he stands.
  • Anaxagoras
    403
    Looks like the guy saying "white power" is being sarcastic, and quite frankly his sarcasm is warranted, given the behavior of the anti-Trumpers. Lots of nasty old retirees in Florida, apparently.praxis

    Hardly sarcasm.

    That’s my honest impression, though I could be wrong.praxis

    You're probably one of those people who don't think racism exists because you don't see it.

    That’s my honest impression, though I could be wrong.praxis

    It was quite wrong
  • Michael
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    The bigger story right now is the Russia bounties. Even the Republicans are speaking out against this. Given their response to the Benghazi attack, I expect numerous hearings about this too.
  • Frank Apisa
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    Enai De A Lukal
    63
    ↪praxis

    Sarcasm, that's really what you're going with? Lol oh dear. :grimace:

    Running desperately short on excuses at this point, clearly. Guess that shouldn't be surprising.
    Enai De A Lukal

    AMEN!

    He sounds like he was being sarcastic!

    :lol:

    What does Trump have to do finally to scare the sheep?
  • praxis
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    Now I have a hint of what NOS must feel like. :lol:
  • praxis
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    I am not disagreeing with you, nor arguing, nor was I there, nor do I know the person. But consider that in Fla. there may still even be holocaust survivors, and they may know exactly what they're talking about. That is, maybe they know a “fucking nazi fascist pig” when they see one.tim wood

    The woman yelling that wasn’t a Holocaust survivor. There may have been one in one of the golf carts she was yelling at as they passed by. I can’t imagine how that would feel.
  • praxis
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    You're probably one of those people who don't think racism exists because you don't see it.Anaxagoras

    How exactly did you reach that conclusion? Wait, don’t tell me, it might require you to rationally consider the issue.

    It’ll probably come out eventually but for now...

    The Miami Herald tried to reach Stokes Monday to ask whether or not he was speaking with sarcasm. A home phone number for Stokes had been disconnected by Monday afternoon. A message left at a cellphone number hadn’t been returned as of early Monday afternoon.
  • Anaxagoras
    403
    How exactly did you reach that conclusion?praxis

    Because you said this:

    Looks like the guy saying "white power" is being sarcastic, and quite frankly his sarcasm is warranted, given the behavior of the anti-Trumpers. Lots of nasty old retirees in Florida, apparently.praxis

    And this:


    That’s my honest impression, though I could be wrong.praxis

    It was quite wrong
  • praxis
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    And what if it turns out that Stokes was being sarcastic, would the probability of me seeing racism improve at all? Sorry if that’s an awkward question but your logic is still unclear.
  • Anaxagoras
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    And what if it turns out that Stokes was being sarcastic, would the probability of me seeing racism improve at all? Sorry if that’s an awkward question but your logic is still unclear.praxis

    I don’t see someone at a senior citizen’s complex where nothing but the elderly some who are protesting, why would a man state “white power” for sarcasm? It makes no damn sense. It also doesn’t make sense how you could conceive it to be sarcasm in the first place.
  • NOS4A2
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    The Department of Defense continues to evaluate intelligence that Russian GRU operatives were engaged in malign activity against United States and coalition forces in Afghanistan. To date, DOD has no corroborating evidence to validate the recent allegations found in open-source reports. Regardless, we always take the safety and security of our forces in Afghanistan — and around the world — most seriously and therefore continuously adopt measures to prevent harm from potential threats."

    https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2241964/statement-by-assistant-to-the-secretary-of-defense-for-public-affairs-on-intell/

    The pentagon has found no corroborating evidence of recent allegations regarding Russian bounties. It’s starting to look like 2016 all over again.
  • praxis
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    Because he was being taunted with "where's your white hood?" and whatever else. Why does the Miami Herald suspect that he may have been sarcastic? Is the Miami Herald racist? :scream:
  • 180 Proof
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    ... To date, DOD has no corroborating evidence to validate the recent allegations found in open-source reports ...
    Why'd you change what the DOD article means by leaving out the words in bold, NOS?

    The pentagon has found no corroborating evidence of recent allegations regarding Russian bounties.NOS4A2
    :shade: -пизде́ц!

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/06/29/white-house-aware-in-2019-of-russian-bounties-on-american-troops-in-afghanistan-officials-say/

    Read all about it: Putin's Bitch is a traitor!

    (which is why none of the GOP cunts in Congress are defending this POS-in-Chief)

    :mask: ~It's early yet, there's much more to come, folks.
  • Anaxagoras
    403
    Because he was being taunted with "where's your white hood?"praxis

    Right and so of all comebacks and possible satire why would you validate a heckler’s claim by saying white power?

    But let’s focus on why some anti-Trump protestors feel this way. Well, first we can start with Trump’s daddy being involved in a KKK riot. Then we can mention the Central Park 5. Then we can discuss his housing practices to which he was sued for, all the way to his birtherism accusation which was inherently racist.

    Knowing that, people still support him and still give him the benefit of doubt. Then we can look at his majority base which was dubbed the “silent majority.” Many of whom did not like a black man in office for 8 years regardless whether you liked Obama or not. They hung effigy’s if Obama. They made pictures of Obama, his wife and kids as apes.

    They challenged Obama’s citizenship. Not to mention in Charlottesville a white supremacist killed another white person because she stood on the right side of history. That is why hecklers who are anti-Trump, say such things because majority of his base (not all) subscribe to his white nationalist rhetoric.

    Why does the Miami Herald suspect that he may have been sarcastic? Is the Miami Herald racist?praxis

    The Miami Herald is not the only news outlet you do realize Trump has faced backlash in the media?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1232356

    There are more media outlets than Miami Herald because apparently it wasn’t taken as satire
  • NOS4A2
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    Right, according to “US officials with direct knowledge”, the sine qua non of anti-trump conspiracy theories.
  • praxis
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    Because he was being taunted with "where's your white hood?"
    — praxis

    Right and so of all comebacks and possible satire why would you validate a heckler’s claim by saying white power?
    Anaxagoras

    sar·casm
    noun
    The use of irony to mock or convey contempt.

    i·ro·ny
    noun
    The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.

    "Where's your white hood?"
    "Where's your white hood?"
    "Racist! Racist!"

    "Yeah, you got it, white power! white power!"

    But let’s focus on why some anti-Trump protestors feel this way.Anaxagoras

    I agree that Trumps populism contains an element of racism, by design. I don't think that yelling at his supporters that they're fucking nazi fascist pigs and racists is the best approach to dealing with them. If nothing else, it plays into the hands of whoever benefits from a divided nation.

    The Miami Herald is not the only news outletAnaxagoras

    I've noticed that. I've also noticed that you didn't answer my question, which is fine.
  • ssu
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    Do notice the media where published.

    But we can see the Trumpist response already: it didn't happen, all the various intel was dubious (as if then it would be taken to NSC to think about the response). It's the Deep State against Trump! It's all a sham. A conspiracy. And note that everything about it will be now top secret.

    Only afterwards we'll see from the documents that indeed the President was briefed about the issue. As always. Above all, now as it is "a hoax" or "unconfirmed intel", Trump will not do anything. Because "he wasn't informed" lie goes only so far as now he surely is informed.

    And hence the reason why Putin would in the first place indeed do such a thing.

    At least Trump is getting his version of angry mothers of killed soldiers that Russia has "had a problem with" since the first war in Chechnya: Mothers of military sons killed in Afghanistan want probe of Russian death bounties.

    bramhall-1.jpg?resize=600%2C417
  • Baden
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    Putin helped Trump and Republicans get elected, the least they can do in return is let Vlad kill a few US troops. I agree with the GOP, no big deal here, just business as usual. Trump 2020 :death: :party:
  • Michael
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    https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2241964/statement-by-assistant-to-the-secretary-of-defense-for-public-affairs-on-intell/

    The pentagon has found no corroborating evidence of recent allegations regarding Russian bounties. It’s starting to look like 2016 all over again.
    NOS4A2

    According to this, "some of Trump’s own senior intelligence officials viewed the information as credible enough to warn the Pentagon and allies so they could ensure they had measures in place to protect their forces in Afghanistan, and to begin developing options for responding to the Russian operation, national security adviser Robert C. O’Brien said Wednesday."

    You can watch the interview here.

    It might not have been corroborated but that doesn't mean there was no substance to it and so dismissed. Preparations were made in response to the raw intelligence. The concern here is over whether or not Trump was briefed on this. I don't know much about the inner workings of government, but are Presidents only briefed on things after they've been proved? Or are they made aware of potential matters of national security? There are reports saying that it was included in at least two written briefs (although there are also reports that Trump often doesn't read his briefs). There are also reports that he was orally briefed last year. If this is true then Trump needs to explain why he has continued to be so favourable to Russia, even suggesting that they be reinstated to the G7. That doesn't seem at all appropriate, and once again shows that Trump trusts Putin over U.S. intelligence (or worse yet, doesn't care if it's true).

    Perhaps the sources were wrong (or lying) when they claimed that Trump was briefed, but evidently they weren't wrong about there being intelligence that Russia was offering these bounties. Clearly there was some degree of verification before the New York Times (and others) ran the story. Of course, being journalists and not government officials with direct access to confidential material, they're not going to know everything. So honestly, what do you want from them? Should the news only report on things that are already public? Or are you going one step further and suggesting that journalists are fiction writers who fabricate stories and lie about them having sources? Does the New York Times have brainstorming sessions where they think of something that sounds plausible and that hurts Trump and then publish it? By some improbable luck, did their made-up story on Russian bounties just happen to be true (even if the part about Trump being briefed wasn't so lucky)?

    If I were a journalist and John Bolton contacted me to tell me about this intelligence and that Trump had been briefed, but asked to be kept anonymous, and if he'd shown himself to be a reliable source in the past, and if two or more other government officials had contacted me to say the same thing, then I'd run the story. Wouldn't you? That's how journalism and anonymous sources work. Just look at Deep Throat and the Watergate scandal. There's sense in this even if it isn't perfect or doesn't always pan out.
  • 180 Proof
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    American decline.

    We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too. — A Real President (1962)
    :fire:

    Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away ... Don’t forget, we have more cases than anyone in the world, but why? Because we do more testing. When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases ... Maybe it is overrated ... Testing is a double-edged sword. … So I said to my people, slow the testing down please. — A Reality TV President (2020)
    :mask:
  • Benkei
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    *dumb blonde mode one*

    It's like as if American has less words today, you know?

    *mode off*
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