• Benkei
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    Stop. Feeding. The. Troll.
  • NOS4A2
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    Suddenly, his words matter again.

    I was talking about your assumptions regarding trump’s states of mind. I was talking about your fantasizing.
  • frank
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    Stop. Feeding. The. Troll.Benkei

    He's like a pet.
  • NOS4A2
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    Let’s check on the outrages of the day.

    Uh oh, Trump said something that ran afoul of Washington political correctness. Apparently he wasn’t as precise as they wish he was.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/23/trump-el-paso-hospital-doctors-operating-rooms/

    Trump, chosen by millions of people to lead the country, calls himself “the chosen one”. The press believes he thinks he was chosen by god, even if he says he was chosen by “people” shortly after.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2019/aug/22/trump-says-he-is-the-chosen-one-to-take-on-china-video
  • Michael
    8k
    Stop. Feeding. The. Troll.Benkei

    Treats are given to performing monkeys so that they continue to entertain us.
  • praxis
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    He's like a pet.frank

    Poor pup has an Elizabethan collar. So he can’t lick his wounds, I imagine.
  • NOS4A2
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    That was actually a good one. I was getting worried that the people here were not only humorless, but poor at insults.
  • frank
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    Poor pup has an Elizabethan collar. So he can’t lick his wounds, I imagine.praxis

    Makes for poor peripheral vision, thus the banging into walls.
  • NOS4A2
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    Makes for poor peripheral vision, thus the banging into walls.

    Meh, not so great. That’s a shame because the bar isn’t really that high.
  • praxis
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    It's kind of adorable how hard he tries.
  • praxis
    1.4k
    Part of a Trump tweet today, “Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China.”

    Dementia or a bad joke? Either way, it's not a good sign.
  • Baden
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    Which would explain:

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  • Baden
    8.4k
    A huge downward correction is coming anyway. This is just a taste. Six months max and we're back down in the 20,000 zone or worse.
  • frank
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    Six months max and we're back down in the 20,000 zone or worse.Baden

    How about Oct. 29?
  • Wayfarer
    8.2k
    An online comment on the NY Times by 'Deirdre':

    You would almost think that Donald Trump is working to destroy the US through inciting violence, draining the treasury through tax breaks, insulting allies, defunding/dismantling federal agencies, firing experienced bureaucrats and allowing more pollution.

    There is no way this guy is on our side and it’s way past time to hold a Republicans accountable for not doing anything to stop him.

    The comment has many responses, mostly in agreement (although it's a truism that NYT readership is overwhelmingly anti-Trump.) But, brings the point into sharp focus: this President is endangering the nation, the economy, the environment, and global stability. And 90% of Republicans think he's doing a 'great job'. How is this possible? Is it something in the water? And when are some responsible Republicans - surely there are some? - going to step up and say what the whole world is seeing: unfit to lead.
  • unenlightened
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    His earlier remarks are so absurd that he can't help but slip back into contradiction.S

    Unfortunately this is now normal political discourse. One cannot fruitfully engage with people who do not care about self-contradiction. One has to recognise that the time for talking and listening has ended.
  • S
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    Unfortunately this is now normal political discourse. One cannot fruitfully engage with people who do not care about self-contradiction. One has to recognise that the time for talking and listening has ended.unenlightened

    Sadly I think that that's true. Hopefully at the next opportunity there will be a change from Trump-Johnson to Bernie-Corbyn.
  • Relativist
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    His earlier remarks are so absurd that he can't help but slip back into contradictionS
    This is a feature, not a bug. It enables Trump supporters to hear whatever they want to hear. You want gun background checks? You don't want background checks? No problem: there's Trump comments supporting both sides of this. It's a buffet of words: pick our what you like, and ignore the rest.
  • NOS4A2
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    This is a feature, not a bug. It enables Trump supporters to hear whatever they want to hear. You want gun background checks? You don't want background checks? No problem: there's Trump comments supporting both sides of this. It's a buffet of words: pick our what you like, and ignore the rest.

    Imagine a president bending to the will of the people he governs. The thought is almost unthinkable.
  • Relativist
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    This is a feature, not a bug. It enables Trump supporters to hear whatever they want to hear. You want gun background checks? You don't want background checks? No problem: there's Trump comments supporting both sides of this. It's a buffet of words: pick our what you like, and ignore the rest.


    Imagine a president bending to the will of the people he governs. The thought is almost unthinkable.
    NOS4A2
    You're idealizing a non-existent scenario. The people do not have a single will. The phenomenon I identified is of individuals inferring from his words that the president is bending to THEIR will, while those with the opposite opinion feeling he is bending to their will. Why don't contradictions matter to you guys?
  • NOS4A2
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    You're idealizing a non-existent scenario. The people do not have a single will. The phenomenon I identified is of individuals inferring from his words that the president is bending to THEIR will, while those with the opposite opinion feeling he is bending to their will. Why don't contradictions matter to you guys?

    He’s hearing countless arguments from countless advisors and opponents, supporters and antitrumpissts alike. Perhaps he is taking account of both sides. I don’t see the contradiction in entertaining opposing arguments.
  • Relativist
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    He’s hearing countless arguments from countless advisors and opponents, supporters and antitrumpissts alike. Perhaps he is taking account of both sides. I don’t see the contradiction in entertaining opposing arguments.NOS4A2
    If you listen to everything he says carefully, you can perhaps see his opinion evolving. There's nothing wrong with that in principle, but he does tend to make declarations that he will do X, and later change his mind and declare he's going to do Y. How do you know when he'll really do what he says he'll do, since he changes his mind so much? This also suggests that his initial declaration were not the product of sound deliberation. Where's that $2B of infrastructure money? Where's that fantastic health care plan?

    Not everyone listens to him that carefully. They may not notice his shifting positions, but when they hear what they want to hear - they remember this. When he doesn't say what they want to hear, they either ignore it or assume that since he's so brilliant, he'll eventually come around to do what they think is right.

    Couple this with his rhetorical hypocrisy: he's simultaneously on both sides of a moral principle. Pleading the 5th implies there's something to hide when it's a political enemy, but when he's called upon to provide information, he's unwilling or secretive. He casts direct insults on political opponents and even on foreign allies, but he can't take even a negative reaction to some ridiculous idea he had (buying Greenland). Trump's diehard fans forgive all this - they don't judge actions and words on principle, they judge on whether you're with him or against him.
  • NOS4A2
    581


    People thought the purchase of Alaska was stupid. The Danes sold the Virgin Islands to the US for $25 million. These aren’t stupid ideas and the outrage about it was misinformed.

    I don’t know about Trump supporters, but it’s the routine snobbery I oppose. You don’t like the way Trump talks and I respect that, but not liking the way the president talks is not sufficient enough to justify obstructing the office or the president from doing his job. It doesn’t justify the marches, some being the biggest in history, when not a single injustice was involved.
  • Relativist
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    People thought the purchase of Alaska was stupid. The Danes sold the Virgin Islands to the US for $25 million. These aren’t stupid ideas and the outrage about it was misinformed.NOS4A2
    I'm sorry, but your rationalization of Trump's behavior on the subject is misinformed. It's absolutely understandable why the Danes would consider the idea absurd, and Trump attacking the PM for stating this is a new low (if that is possible). Understand, I'm fine with thinking outside the box. Doing so can result in both the brilliant and the idiotic. You discover which by floating the idea and getting feedback. The appropriate thing to do is to accept the feedback, not to take it as an insult and fight back.
  • Relativist
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    I don’t know about Trump supporters, but it’s the routine snobbery I oppose. You don’t like the way Trump talks and I respect that, but not liking the way the president talks is not sufficient enough to justify obstructing the office or the president from doing his job. It doesn’t justify the marches, some being the biggest in history, when not a single injustice was involvedNOS4A2
    Trump's words both anger and scare people. They inflame emotions on both sides.Trump supporters applaud Trump "fighting back", no matter how low he goes. Marches and demonstrations are the public fighting back.

    "Obstructing" the office? What actions have been inappropriately obstructed? Energy is certainly spent on political fighting, but has Trump done ANYTHING to rise above politics? Both his rhetoric and his policies have been extremely partisan and inflammatory, and thus polarizing. Push back is the consequence.
  • NOS4A2
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    Yes, his opposition is inflamed by tweets and out of context quotes, so much so that we’ve reached levels of mass hysteria. The era of public relations politics is over.
  • Metaphysician Undercover
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    People thought the purchase of Alaska was stupid. The Danes sold the Virgin Islands to the US for $25 million. These aren’t stupid ideas and the outrage about it was misinformed.NOS4A2

    The stupidity is in the method, making it publicly known that I want to buy Greenland, instead of discussing this possibility with those who currently govern that land. How would you feel if the rich guy from a couple of neighbourhoods over, was going around telling everyone that he was intending to buy you out of your house? Any misinformation here is the fault of the president. But why would the president misinform his own people?
  • Metaphysician Undercover
    6k
    Such misinformation is good reason for outrage.
  • NOS4A2
    581


    The stupidity is in the method, making it publicly known that I want to buy Greenland, instead of discussing this possibility with those who currently govern that land. How would you feel if the rich guy from a couple of neighbourhoods over, was going around telling everyone that he was intending to buy you out of your house? Any misinformation here is the fault of the president. But why would the president misinform his own people?

    He didn’t state it publicly. Like many of these stories some “official” told the press, they sensationalized it, the Danish prime minister criticized it. More misinformation.
  • Relativist
    829
    Yes, his opposition is inflamed by tweets and out of context quotes, so much so that we’ve reached levels of mass hysteria. The era of public relations politics is over.NOS4A2

    There are certainly some inappropriate reactions to Trump, and I don't rationalize or excuse them. However there's a lot of appropriate, negative reactions. The "mass hysteria" charge, and the term "Trump derangement syndrome" are used to conflate, and therefore dismiss, all negative reactions to Trump. I'd love to see Trump supporters who could be as discerning of his comments, rather than the knee-jerk rationalization of everything he says or tweets.
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