I did not say psychic energy though — Agustino
There are a lot of contributing factors for low psychological energy though. Beliefs, attitudes and expectations are part of it. If you have the wrong beliefs, the wrong expectations and the wrong attitudes, you're going to dig yourself in a hole. Studying stoicism is useful in that regard. Mindfulness also helps bring those into awareness and learn to manage the underlying emotions. — Agustino
Yeah, there is no mention of "psychic" energy there. I did say psychological energy, because that's what it is phenomenologically speaking. Do you disagree?Here's the quote: — Posty McPostface
So you don't agree with the CBT version that wrong beliefs, wrong expectations and wrong attitudes are one of the prime causes of depression?I just think that there's no point in talking about 'wrong beliefs', 'wrong expectations', and 'wrong attitudes', as if some Ayatullah or priest professing a certain dogma or way of life. — Posty McPostface
Yeah, there is no mention of "psychic" energy there. I did say psychological energy, because that's what it is phenomenologically speaking. Do you disagree? — Agustino
So you don't agree with the CBT version that wrong beliefs, wrong expectations and wrong attitudes are one of the prime causes of depression? — Agustino
Okay I see. Well, I think the term "energy" doesn't only have the meaning we're used to in physics. If you're very tired, you'll say "I don't have enough energy". In that case, you certainly don't mean the useful work that can be quantified, but you're referring to a psychological state. Correct?Fine, then. Allow me to use that term in a different context. How do you understand a term that cannot be quantified, meaning that which is 'psychological', and at the same time include a term that can mostly be understood when quantifying it, such as 'energy'? They don't seem to go well together. — Posty McPostface
How are beliefs and cognitive distortions related?I'm afraid that's the wrong term to use in this case. CBT talks about cognitive distortions, not the right or wrong'ness of a belief. — Posty McPostface
Okay I see. Well, I think the term "energy" doesn't only have the meaning we're used to in physics. If you're very tired, you'll say "I don't have enough energy". In that case, you certainly don't mean the useful work that can be quantified, but you're referring to a psychological state. Correct? — Agustino
How are beliefs and cognitive distortions related? — Agustino
They feel it.I mean, how does one know if they have 'enough energy' for some task. — Posty McPostface
As I said when I was asked this before, I don't know.And, where does this energy come from? — Posty McPostface
So are cognitive distortions false beliefs then?Beliefs are subject to being true or not. People with schizophrenia tend to have more cognitive distortions arising in their minds than the rest of the population. But, that's not the point. The point I'm trying to make is that there doesn't seem to be a fundamental difference between beliefs and knowledge as I understand it. So, if one has accurate beliefs about the world then that is knowledge bona fide. — Posty McPostface
Personally, I think cognitive distortions are false beliefs - I take them to be presumptions that people act on, which don't reflect reality. For example, if someone sees another laughing, some people will presume they are laughing about them, and start feeling anxious/bad, and change how they act. So that belief will cause one to feel bad. On the other hand, I don't think it's the truth or falsity of the belief that causes one to feel bad, but merely having that belief. If it happened to be a true belief, and they really were laughing at them, then would the person be justified in feeling bad?Good question. What's your take on the matter? — Posty McPostface
That's just the preface, you can keep reading the rest if you like by clicking the arrows to move to next chapter at the top.Still reading the Shestov. — Posty McPostface
Personally, I think cognitive distortions are false beliefs - I take them to be presumptions that people act on, which don't reflect reality. For example, if someone sees another laughing, some people will presume they are laughing about them, and start feeling anxious/bad, and change how they act. So that belief will cause one to feel bad. On the other hand, I don't think it's the truth or falsity of the belief that causes one to feel bad, but merely having that belief. If it happened to be a true belief, and they really were laughing at them, then would the person be justified in feeling bad? — Agustino
I doubt the average person, even the average TPF member, is conscious of what they "live for everyday", since the daily ritual of life doesn't allow for that much reflection. On top of that, when we do reflect on why we live life each day, we tend to come up with a nice ideal: "I live life for the betterment of others", "I live life for the beauty of things", "I live life because it's my imperative to do so", etc., ad naseum. But these aren't real reasons for "living life"; they're justifications for one's existence, and generally not quite truthful. In reality, we generally don't know exactly why we're living life. — Noble Dust
Futile? — Bitter Crank
has never made an effort to develop her mind and the consequence of that, it appears, is that she's like a lost and helpless child. — praxis
when we do reflect on why we live life each day, we tend to come up with a nice ideal: "I live life for the betterment of others", "I live life for the beauty of things", "I live life because it's my imperative to do so", etc., ad naseum. — Noble Dust
Whatever defense we offer for our drab wretched lives is invariably total bullshit, but the cover story is important. It is better if it sounds good. "I live to bring beauty and joy into the lives of others" is nauseating, but it sounds better than "If you can't take a big healthy crap every morning, you might as well be dead."
Or... maybe not. — Bitter Crank
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