to suite your argument — JustSomeGuy
in terms of needing an ideology you likely already have one but you don't realize it. You live your life by some kind of code. you believe what you think is right (for example gay marriage or if you think guys should have long hair) whether or not you came to these realizations by yourself. — David Solman
And in the second place atheists do NOT have a belief in God. Atheism says nothing about 'nothing existing'. — charleton
Saying that atheism isn't a belief that there is no god, but instead it is a lack of belief in god, is nonsense. — JustSomeGuy
This is a false symmetry, since atheism is a flag to denote a lack of theism. You are just abusing language to try to make your point. It's clumsy and obvious.Theism is the belief that a god exists. Atheism is the belief that a god does not exist. — JustSomeGuy
The irony is that you are, in fact, the one doing this.You are just abusing language to try to make your point. It's clumsy and obvious. — charleton
It is the belief that there is no god.Atheism is not any kind of belief at all. — charleton
All religions are atheist, they have all denied the existence of every single God there's ever been (except one, the one they believe in) — Inter Alia
If Atheism is the belief that there are no gods of any description, even the completely non-human virtually indescribable forms. Then I know no atheists and I doubt any exist. — Inter Alia
neither definition are really as binomial as you've described then, in the real world. — Inter Alia
Total rubbish.
In the first place it is perfectly possible to make a clear distinction between knowledge and belief.
And in the second place atheists do NOT have a belief in God. Atheism says nothing about 'nothing existing'. — charleton
Claiming that all religions are atheist when it comes to all other gods is a misunderstanding and misuse of the term "atheism". — JustSomeGuy
It is the belief that there is no god. — JustSomeGuy
Let us begin with the observation that knowledge is a mental state; that is, knowledge exists in one's mind, and unthinking things cannot know anything. Further, knowledge is a specific kind of mental state. While "that"-clauses can also be used to describe desires and intentions, these cannot constitute knowledge. Rather, knowledge is a kind of belief. If one has no beliefs about a particular matter, one cannot have knowledge about it. — IEP
This is interesting to me, because I believe many of my own problems stem from the fact that I grew up with a concrete belief system.I'm currently beginning to question whether many of my own problems stem from my lack of a concrete belief system. — JustSomeGuy
Words do not mean things outside of our use of them, language is not something that existed already for us to find, words mean what we use them to mean. — Inter Alia
The relevance of the meanings as they are actually used is that it changes the argument with regards to the application of belief. Atheists aren't saying "there is no god and nothing that you could ever call a god no matter how esoteric you make it", they're saying that all the gods that have been thus far devised do not exists and any future gods that might be devised in a similar vein also do not exist." — Inter Alia
So, if I claimed there was a god and posited that this god was not all powerful, but was responsible for the laws of physics. He was entirely consistent, never changed his mind about how the laws of physics should be, in fact let's say that something about his properties makes him incapable of anything else. My god doesn't require any worship, has no special religious tenets, never reveals himself in any way, lives in another dimension, takes a completely non-human form and exists in the same way numbers exist. It basically carries out the laws of physics consistently and without fail and has no impact on our lives whatsoever. Do you really see any atheists objecting to a belief in that deity. In fact, if we call that deity 'physics', then all atheists do believe in it. That's why the properties of the proposed deity matter, and that's what I mean by doubting any atheists exist by your strict definition. I was, of course using rhetoric to make the point. — Inter Alia
You wont make this true by keeping on saying it.
In the same way you seem to think that the more you say god exists, god becomes more real to you.
This is exactly and perfectly an example of why belief and faith are the ruin of all reason and rationality, and that is why I'll have none of it. — charleton
Philosophy is based on logic, and logical arguments are dependent on clearly-defined terms. — JustSomeGuy
That is where I take issue with your definition of atheist, which, as I've argued, does not describe the actual people we then go on to refer to in the sentence — Inter Alia
you've asked that we all default to your preferred definition. That simply isn't how philosophy is done. — Inter Alia
We do not have to have an agreement of the definitions before we can discuss the matter — Inter Alia
I'm sorry, but it has become very clear that you aren't discussing philosophy, or contributing anything useful to the conversation. You're here to blindly push your own ideology — JustSomeGuy
It doesn't describe the people you refer to. — JustSomeGuy
I will never understand why some atheists insist on being so intellectually dishonest. — JustSomeGuy
In my experience, this is very common among atheists who have a resentment towards religion that they have yet to grow out of. — JustSomeGuy
In both cases, these are real people you are referring to and I do not believe they either identify themselves, nor can be objectively identified, as the definition of atheist you are claiming to use. — Inter Alia
Even if we were, for the sake of argument to stick to dictionary definitions, Merriam-Webster defines atheism as
"a philosophical or religious position characterized by disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods"
Note 'a God or any gods' which upholds my earlier assertion that all theists are also atheists as they all have a disbelief in at least a God, in fact all the other gods. — Inter Alia
If you don't want to engage with the debate around the uses of the term that's fine, but don't disingenuously claim there isn't one. — Inter Alia
This is interesting to me, because I believe many of my own problems stem from the fact that I grew up with a concrete belief system. — anonymous66
—I'm currently beginning to question whether many of my own problems stem from my lack of a concrete belief system. — JustSomeGuy6
This is interesting to me, because I believe many of my own problems stem from the fact that I grew up with a concrete belief system. — anonymous66
(on the other hand, perhaps I could see this as a chance to learn to trust my intuition). — anonymous66
If I have a choice between watching a shitty movie next to me or the best movie ever, but I have to go to the store to get, I'm gonna get my ass up go buy and enjoy the movie and be satisfied at the effort I put into enjoying that movie. Figure out how to improve your life if you can, and enjoy that if you can. — SonJnana
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