• Mongrel
    3k
    1) Opinion noted, but believe it or not, we don't read every Agustino post (at least I don't) and rely on members to a degree to flag offensive posts. That or a PM is the most direct way of getting something dealt with.
    2) Please use the feedback forum if you want to continue this. This discussion is not about Agustino and any more from anyone about him here will be deleted.
    Baden

    I was explaining what happens when something is left standing that should have been torn down. The fact that sexist remarks are preserved does give me the feeling that the moderators don't care. I did complain to Unenlightened about it at one point. He said he had passed the info along. Nothing happened.

    But if I understand you correctly, you'll delete any future sexist remarks from Agustino if I flag them?

    Is that right?
    :)
  • Baden
    16.4k


    Of course. And that's always been the case as per the guidelines. Let's not pretend though that there won't be disagreement over what constitutes a sexist remark.
  • Mongrel
    3k
    Historically his sexist comments have been over the top, so I doubt that will be an issue.
  • Baden
    16.4k


    I can only hope that @Agustino will use this opportunity to try to understand the effect some of his comments have had and will adjust himself accordingly.
  • Agustino
    11.2k

    But if I understand you correctly, you'll delete any future sexist remarks from Agustino if I flag them?Mongrel
    You are such a liar, you should be ashamed of yourself.

    Nothing happened.Mongrel
    Of course nothing happened, cause none of them were sexist. Please list one single sexist comment I made. As I told you in a PM long ago, you have a mental issue it seems where you perceive regular and normal sentences as sexist. In fact, you said to me in one of your last PMs:

    Just to let you know: everybody thinks you're sexist. That's how you come across. I'm not sure whether you really care what anybody else thinks, though. — Mongrel
    So now please, where the hell are all the people who think that I'm a sexist?! You said everyone thinks I'm a sexist. Let's see the evidence. They can freely speak here, I hold no authority, I'm not even on good terms with the moderators, nobody has any reason to be afraid of me. They can speak their mind. So let's see. But quite the contrary, I predict that many will come to defend me.

    Now let's have a look at how crazy Mongrel is. Just look at this:
    Are you Greek Orthodox? Or Catholic? — Mongrel
    That one. Why are you inquiring? :P — Agustino
    Just curious. Can't a person be curious? — Mongrel
    >:O Yeahhh they can, but I'm curious why you're curious about it :P — Agustino
    I don't really know much about Greek Orthodox. — Mongrel
    We tend to be more Platonist, more lenient with priests (our priests get to marry), and more focused on contemplation/prayer :P — Agustino
    They frequently don't know much about what the Bible says, but they don't realize they're clueless, so they'll start arguments with Protestants (not realizing that Protestants frequently have read the Bible) — Mongrel
    I'm not sure if this is true with Catholics in Europe though. — Agustino
    Anyway.. there is a difference between what the Bible says and what constitutes a Christian tradition. It just depends on what's being emphasized, what folklore has been added.. so on. — Mongrel
    I agree. — Agustino
    Now notice. Out of nowhere. The true wacko:
    Could be. The US is heavily Protestant dominated just because the culture is sort of British.
    BTW.. you seemed to suggest that rightists are sexist. That's not true at all in the US. Here, sexism is just wacko.
    — Mongrel
    lol where did I suggest that? You seem to think I'm sexist, but that's quite false. Understanding the world isn't the same as sexism. — Agustino
    Just to let you know: everybody thinks you're sexist. That's how you come across. I'm not sure whether you really care what anybody else thinks, though. — Mongrel
    I'm not sure who this "everybody" is, but that's certainly not true. There's many people on these forums, including Americans by the way (and women too) who do not think my views are sexist, and who agree with them. I think you just don't know what you're talking about, or you're just refusing to accept the way things are, namely that there's biological differences between men and women, which is true. Do you want me to provide you with medical journals documenting these differences?
    As for this wacky belief:
    — Agustino
    Here, sexism is just wacko. — Mongrel
    That screams fear from miles away. Sexism is more rampant in the US than in Europe for that matter, but it seems you'd like to deny even this fact. I actually don't think you quite understand what sexism even means. I'm absolutely not prejudiced against women based on sex, as I've made abundantly clear, the one best fit for the job should do the job. — Agustino
    Fine. You don't want to hear what I'm telling you. I don't care. :P — Mongrel
    lol - what you're telling me is absurd :P You're talking when you have a President who grabs women by the pussy and objectifies them? :s You're saying that's wacko in the US? Give me a break. — Agustino
    Whatever dude. — Mongrel

    Let's see another example of "sexism":

    We're dealing with a very big ignoramus in this thread. Whoever dares to say that Kierkegaard is an atheist/mystic who thinks Christianity is dead and he isn't trying to build anything on its grave has probably NEVER read Kierkegaard. If anything Kierkegaard was a conservative Christian who thought that the only way to cure the illnesses of modernity is to return to a personal relationship with God, which is for example a subject addressed in Sickness Unto Death.

    Furthermore to suggest Kierkegaard doesn't believe in a personal God is ABSOLUTE lunacy!! Kierkegaard, the man who, along with Pascal, rejected the God of the philosophers for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! And to suggest that most Christian mystics don't believe in a personal God - oh dear!

    "God is an underlying creative force... something like that."
    — Mongrel
    >:O >:O >:O >:O Yeah right, cause Christians are New Age believers!
    Agustino
    Yep. He was a mystic. My goodness... two posts attacking me. :DMongrel

    How was he a mystic if he rejected the God of the philosophers and rather accepted the personal God who directly and literarily spoke with Abraham? :s You're the first person I hear who claims K. to be a mystic, quite a lot of the secondary literature on him that I've read finds him to be anti-mystical if anything.Agustino

    Anyone who spends much time contemplating union with the divine is a mystic. I'm not sure how anyone could interpret that as anti-mystical.

    We're some ways off topic now.
    Mongrel

    Reference?Mongrel

    Read Sickness unto Death, or Either/Or. Also you can check out this book:

    Struggling with God: Kierkegaard and the Temptation of Spiritual Trial
    Agustino

    Kierkegaard's emphasis upon God's transcendence could also play an important role in tempering the intimacy of the mystic's relation with God... It is only be an act of grace on God's part and not by the mystic's striving for experience of or union with the Divine that he comes into God's presence. It is in making clear these truths that the value of Kierkegaard's anti-mysticism lies. — quote from Struggling with God

    By the way you should already be aware that merging into God is HERESY in Christian theology. So Christian mysticism is different than other forms of mysticism. Even Eckhart's mysticism is different.

    Theosis - which is union with the Trinity - and is the goal of life according to Orthodox Christianity does not mean the annihilation of the self into God, but rather the self being deified and joining the Three Persons of the Trinity in communion, but still remaining separate.
    Agustino

    I agree he meant that striving doesn't get one there..."power which is impotence"

    What document is your quote referencing?
    Mongrel

    The book I recommended you.Agustino
    And now, because she was proven wrong, not only by me, but also by Thanatos Sand in that thread, look what she does:
    From Amazon's description of that book:

    " Invoking the biblical motif of Jacob's struggle with the Face of God (Genesis 32), Simon D. Podmore undertakes a constructive theological account of 'spiritual trial' (tentatio; known in German mystical and Lutheran tradition as Anfechtung) in relation to enduring questions of the otherness and hiddenness of God and the self, the problem of suffering and evil, the freedom of Spirit, and the anxious relationship between temptation and ordeal, fear and desire. This book traces a genealogy of spiritual trial from medieval German mystical theology, through Lutheran and Pietistic thought (Tauler; Luther; Arndt; Boehme), and reconstructs Kierkegaard's innovative yet under-examined recovery of the category (Anfægtelse: a Danish cognate for Anfechtung) within the modern context of the 'spiritless' decline of Christendom. Developing the relationship between struggle (Anfechtung) and release (Gelassenheit), Podmore proposes a Kierkegaardian theology of spiritual trial which elaborates the kenosis of the self before God in terms of Spirit's restless longing to rest transparently in God. Offering an original rehabilitation of the temptation of spiritual trial, this book strives for a renewed theological hermeneutic which speaks to the enduring human struggle to realise the unchanging love of God in the face of spiritual darkness."

    :-}

    What's kenosis? Anyway, we're done. Life's too short for me to spend much time talking to a sexist jerk.
    Mongrel

    Yes what about it? Why aren't you happy about it? It will dispel your misconceptions about the Christian spirituality that K. was advocating and you'll see that it's actually a very Orthodox view.Agustino

    And it will certainly cure you of your idea that Christianity is dead.Agustino

    I just saw the "spectacular" additions to your post ...

    What's kenosis?
    — Mongrel

    Kenosis means self-emptying through loving activity.

    Anyway, we're done. Life's too short for me to spend much time talking to a sexist jerk.
    — Mongrel

    :-} Just because I find your comments in this thread stupid and you're a woman doesn't make me a sexist, nor a jerk. You just don't know what you're talking about with regards to Kierkegaard (or Christian mysticism for that matter). Your judgement is so dominated by your 1960s atheistic/humanistic/leftist ideology that you can't even see beyond your own nose. It's pathetic. Everyone who disagrees with you is labeled a sexist.
    Agustino
    Every reasonable person will look at Mongrel, and the only plausible reaction will be laughter. Because let me tell you, those crocodile tears of hers, and protestations are nothing but sheer slander. I've never made any sexist comment, unless, of course, you count my arguments against abortion, against casual sex, and such as sexism. Which only a wacko, indeed a true wacko, could think.

    Now, back to the topic. Mongrel doesn't understand what sexism is, nor is capable to combat it. If anything, I'm the opposite of sexist, because I respect women. I value women, and they aren't just sexual objects to me. It seems though that Mongrel is upset that women aren't sexual objects to me, because she perceives the freedom of women to be identical to sexual slavery - for her, promiscuous sexual behaviour is freedom. But I argue, as Spinoza did, that quite the contrary, vice and licentiousness is not freedom, but poison, and contrary to the opinion of the dumb majority, it is the ones (both male and female) who give in to their lusts who are in bondage, and those who don't, who are truly free.

    I've asked Mongrel multiple times how I or my remarks were sexist. She never said anything, because she slanders based on lies. And why does she slander? Because I'm a conservative, and she has no other way to combat my arguments, but the crocodile tears.

    This is an example of how it works, actually. Agustino is sexist. If he had his way, people like me would be disenfranchised and peripheralized. The people who moderate this forum know that, but they don't care. Every time I see his posts, it just sinks in deeper and deeper with me: the moderators of this forum are just as sexist as he is. They have to be. Why else would they leave his nasty comments up?

    Same thing with the statue of Lee. The message it sends to both whites and blacks is counter to what We the People have declared we are and will be.

    But as I mentioned to you in PM.. if you make it about personality, you're right. Humanity is a bunch of flawed rascals.
    Mongrel
    Lies, lies, lies. First of all, where are the nasty comments?! If you cannot produce these nasty comments, I expect a public apology.

    Second of all, you already are peripheralized by the very fact that you cannot have a proper conversation. In the middle of a normal conversation you suddenly call people you converse with sexists, and jerks and other things out of nowhere. That's the behaviour of a crazy person.

    Third of all, with regards to sexism, "we the people" have actually declared that we are sexist. That's what they declare everytime when you see advertisements which objectify women and their bodies. That's what they declare every time they admire men like Donald Trump who grab women by the pussy (and most men in the US, by the way, are just like Trump - Trump is the alpha male, they'd all want to be like him). That's what they declare every time when they make everything about a woman her physical beauty. That's what your dear American society is doing, not me. Quite the contrary, Agustino is against and fiercely opposed to the objectification of women's bodies. He is opposed to treating women as sexual objects. He wants women to be valued as human beings, and exposes the hypocritical Western society who claims to oppose sexism, while actually loves it and endorses it with its whole heart - including YOU Mongrel.
  • Agustino
    11.2k
    Historically his sexist comments have been over the top, so I doubt that will be an issue.Mongrel
    If you cannot produce the evidence that I am a sexist, do you agree to receive a warning from the moderators for slander? After all, this is exactly what you are doing. If I was amongst the moderators, I'd certainly give you a warning if you fail to produce the evidence. As I said before with TimeLine, it's unacceptable to accuse someone in the absence of evidence - that's slander, and it makes the forum a worse place for all of us.
  • Agustino
    11.2k
    But if I understand you correctly, you'll delete any future sexist remarks from Agustino if I flag them?Mongrel
    Yes of course they will, IF THEY ARE SEXIST. But I don't think you understand what that means. You'll most likely flag my comments about the Orthodox Church or Kierkegaard >:O
  • Buxtebuddha
    1.7k
    Heister Eggcart can confirm - Kierkegaard was not a Christian mystic.
  • Agustino
    11.2k
    Meister Eggcart can confirm - Kierkegaard was not a Christian mystic.Buxtebuddha
    Okay, that's enough. Life's too short for me to spend much time talking to a sexist jerk >:O >:O

    Reveal
    I flagged your comment for sexism, btw. The moderators promised they will delete future sexist remarks from Agustino, you're not Agustino, but hopefully they will remove yours too if I flag them >:O
  • Buxtebuddha
    1.7k
    I think both y'all needa calm down. The only person that needs to be shut down on this forum is Thanatos Harris Sand.
  • John Harris
    248

    Actually, it's Buxtebuddha since he just trolled me out of nowhere again. It's what people who can't actually contribute tend to do...poor kid.
  • Buxtebuddha
    1.7k
    Actually, it's Buxtebuddha since he just trolled me out of nowhere again. Maybe if he said something intelligent along with that trolling, but that's beyond his faculties.John Harris

    Rofl. Right on queue, you fucking madman, >:O
  • Agustino
    11.2k
    Thanatos Harris Sand.Buxtebuddha
    >:)
  • Agustino
    11.2k
    You have to admit that Mr. Harris is a little bit like a toy. You press the button, and there he goes! >:O
  • John Harris
    248
    Rofl. Right on queue, you fucking madman, >:O

    Rofl. The only mad man is you, and your trolling and mad emolji proves it. Keep on causing conflict, though...:)
  • John Harris
    248
    ↪Buxtebuddha You have to admit that Mr. Harris is a little bit like a toy. You press the button, and there he goes! >:O

    Because I respond to your trolling? That only makes the children you who aren't here to talk philosophy but immaturely try to get reactions out of people. How sad.
  • Agustino
    11.2k
    That only makes the children you who aren't here to talk philosophy but immaturely try to get reactions out of people. How sad.John Harris
    Yes, I am a child and you are my toy! X-)
  • Agustino
    11.2k
    Which button should I press so that you tell me that you won't read any of my future comments in this thread? >:O
  • John Harris
    248
    Yes, I am a child and you are my toy! X-)

    No, I've clearly made you my toy in our discussions, where you've been left a child well-"spanked"...:)
  • Agustino
    11.2k
    No, I've clearly made you my toy in our discussions, where you've been left a child well-"spanked"...:)John Harris
    Oh yes, my butt is red.
  • John Harris
    248
    ↪John Harris Which button should I press so that you tell me that you won't read any of my future comments in this thread? >:

    I've already pushed too many buttons needing to debunk so many of your arguments, I'll let you figure that out.
  • Buxtebuddha
    1.7k
    Oh yes, my butt is red.Agustino

    Wow, are you making fun of American Indians? You goddamned racist.
  • John Harris
    248
    — John Harris
    Oh yes, my butt is red

    On that we can agree...:)
  • Deleted User
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    I don't notice many of @Agustino 's comments being sexist...
  • Mongrel
    3k
    The bulk of his sexist remarks were made a few months ago. He made a few more a few weeks ago.

    It's nice to know there won't be any more. I just have to remember to flag them when Baden is here. None of the others would do anything about it.
  • Mongrel
    3k
    I had it all up on twitter at one point. I took it down. His sexism is principled. He would like to see changes (I suppose throughout the world) wherein women lose everything they've gained in last century or so. He associates these views with religion.

    I would rather clean out the NYC sewer system than go rambling through his posts, but you can if you want. It's all there (unless he deleted it himself... which would great.)
  • Deleted User
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    I am afraid that I don't know which thread(s) you are referring to, but I have read much on here for awhile, and haven't noticed anything saying that.
  • Agustino
    11.2k
    oh yeah, it's all there, just Google it. >:O

    How typical.

    You don't have any evidence that I ever made any sexist replies. I ask the moderators to come up with a policy against slander, because it's not the first time things like this happen, and it shouldn't, since it makes the forum a worse place for all of us. It's not fair that particular members get accused based on fancy; it's disgraceful.

    @jamalrob
    @Baden
  • John Harris
    248
    It's not fair that particular members get accused based on fancy; it's disgraceful.

    Looks like somebody's buttons really got pushed...:)
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