• Benkei
    8k
    Hi all,

    We're introducing a new rule effective immediately: no social media links or embeds outside of the shoutbox, the news thread or in your profile.

    We understand that social media is where a lot of news breaks and conversations happen—but it's also where a lot of toxicity, misrepresentation and manufactured outrage originates. It's also no substitute for making an argument. Too often, posts consist of links or embeds without any additional effort, often just to shock or illicit predictable responses bordering on trolling. This isn’t what the forum is for.

    This rule is about keeping the forum grounded in original discussion. We want to encourage thoughtful posts, not just quote-tweet pile-ons or viral clips with no substance.

    You can still share links in the shoutbox or news thread, where they’re more appropriate. Full feature videos, if relevant to a discussion, are acceptable but not tiktoks or similar shorts.

    Going forward, any post that includes a link or embed from social media outside these areas will be deleted in full. No partial edits. No warnings. If you’re not sure whether something counts as “social media,” err on the side of caution.

    We’re doing this to keep the forum healthy, focused and worth reading.

    —The Mod Team
  • flannel jesus
    2.4k
    What counts as social media?
  • Benkei
    8k
    Apart from the obvious?

    If you’re not sure whether something counts as “social media,” err on the side of caution.Benkei
  • flannel jesus
    2.4k
    Apart from the obvious?Benkei

    The boundaries are a little fuzzy. Facebook is the poster child of social media. Then Instagram. Twitter, but that seems a bit less strong. Reddit even less strongly still, because the majority of Reddit is anonymous. Reddit is arguably as much social media as this site is.

    Some people say any site with a comment section is social media, but that would include many news sites.
  • Benkei
    8k
    Yes, the concept is indeed fuzzy. We therefore encourage posters not to explore borderline cases.

    Edit: scrolling through your post history it doesn't really look like this will be a problem for you. I suppose it wouldn't be thephilosophyforum.com if someone didn't argue for the sake of argument...
  • T Clark
    14.4k
    no social media links or embeds outside of the shoutbox, the news thread or in your profile.Benkei

    I hope this doesn't include YouTube. I embed a lot of short clips from there.

    Also, please add this change to the site guidelines page.
  • Benkei
    8k
    I hope this doesn't include YouTube. I embed a lot of short clips from there.T Clark

    It certainly covers YouTube shorts. For other videos it will be context dependent. I will delete any video embedded where you say "oh lookie, this guy really argues my point well for me". People not willing to make an effort to create original content should stick to regurgitating other people's ideas on X.

    Also, please add this change to the site guidelines page.T Clark

    That was updated almost simultaneously but thanks for double checking.
  • T Clark
    14.4k
    It certainly covers YouTube shorts.Benkei

    I suggest also allowing it in the Lounge.
  • Mikie
    7k
    There goes the Donald Trump thread.
  • T Clark
    14.4k
    ↪T Clark No.Benkei

    This is clearly part of Trump's Project 2025 program. Did Musk set you up to this?
  • Benkei
    8k
    For anthropological, or possibly psychological, reasons I'm interested in your reasoning steps from "no social media" to being "part of Trump's project 2025 program".
  • praxis
    6.6k
    There goes the Donald Trump thread.Mikie

    Most of NOS’s posts anyway.
  • T Clark
    14.4k
    For anthropological, or possibly psychological, reasons I'm interested in your reasoning steps from "no social media" to being "part of Trump's project 2025 program".Benkei

    Here in the US, and I assume elsewhere in the world, everything we don't like is Trump's and Musk's doing.
  • praxis
    6.6k


    Did you learn that on social media?
  • Joshs
    6k


    This is clearly part of Trump's Project 2025 program. Did Musk set you up to this?T Clark

    I believe Project 2025 states that all facts must be derived exclusively from social media sources.
  • boethius
    2.4k
    Thanks for this, on the Ukraine discussion one poster mostly just spammed links, without even summarizing them and when he did do so he'd make his point in the form of a question with an emoji, to avoid making an actual point. Really annoying.
  • J
    1.2k
    Actually, I believe the Project 2025 citation puts "facts" in quotes.
  • tim wood
    9.5k
    Does this include straight news? I think I have posted Youtube news as reference. As an example, Susan Rice was interviewed about the so-called Signal-gate chat that was revealed in the Atlantic. In her interview she described at length what such "principals' meetings" are and should be, and who should participate and how, and where and under what circumstances, and to what purposes. Given the light of her presentation, one may fairly draw the conclusion that the Atlantic editor's participation is the least of the problems. But it would be arduous in the extreme to transcribe her remarks and retype into a thread - and then she would have to be cited anyway.

    Perhaps I have misread: I do not see that reference to such material is banned. In other words while maybe I cannot provide the Youtube link itself (and that's a question), it appears I can describe it so that it could be easily found. Yes? No?
  • Benkei
    8k
    If it's "just news", then it's not philosophy and it goes into the Shoutbox or the News thread. If there's a philosophical point to be made, then it can be included in a thread if it's also accompanied by original content.
  • jorndoe
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    I'm thinking there are some cases where social media messages can be evidence.
    This was posted on a verified account (I added the embedded link):

    Exactly.
    My son, Xavier, died. He was killed by the woke mind virus.
    Now, the woke mind virus will die.
    — Elon Musk · Mar 22, 2025

    I think Musk's rationale for what he says/does came up in this thread.
    The above message could serve as evidence.

    But, moderation is a thankless, tedious job; going into that detail could make the job unreasonably time-consuming. :)
  • Vera Mont
    4.6k
    It's possible to quote something that was posted on social media without including a link.
    As for You Tube contributions, it's not that hard to post the title of a documentary or commentary and let those who are interested search You Tube for it.
    Since so much of social media content these days is toxic, and so many platforms are controlled by what we naively refer to as 'bad actors', avoiding links with them seems a sound decision.
  • Wayfarer
    23.9k
    It certainly covers YouTube shorts.Benkei

    Shorts are a subset of YouTube content. So are we to presume that this doesn't apply to the remaining YT content?
  • Shawn
    13.3k
    There go my pig videos.

    :meh:
  • Metaphysician Undercover
    13.6k
    There go my pig videosShawn

    This little piggy went to market...
  • Wayfarer
    23.9k
    Agree in general but of note the Australian legislation to put age restrictions on social media use exempted youtube.
  • T Clark
    14.4k
    There go my pig videos.Shawn

    No. Those will be allowed in the shout box.
  • Shawn
    13.3k
    No. Those will be allowed in the shout box.T Clark

    Yes, this.
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