• Baden
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    Maybe but the only way out I can realistically see would be making his base disappear. And that's not going to happen. The twenty percent of Americans who love the guy are the twenty percent that decide who represents the Republican party. Besides, Pence is arguably worse, so it's not like the way "out" leads anywhere positive.
  • Michael
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    Besides, Pence is arguably worse, so it's not like the way "out" leads anywhere positive.Baden

    Or they both go and Pelosi will be President.
  • Baden
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    Is that the way it works? I thought Mitch would be next in line?
  • Michael
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    Speaker of the House after the Vice President. After Pelosi it would likely be Grassley as he's expected to succeed Hatch as President pro tempore of the Senate. McConnell isn't in line at all.

    Here's the current list.
  • VagabondSpectre
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    I don't think it will lead anywhere positive directly, but indirectly it would be a message/signal showing accountability, and a widespread rebuke of the post-truth politics that got us here.

    America (at least used to) set democratic and legal standards in its role as the global leader. If Trump doesn't get spanked it will set a frighteningly low standard, and would likely lead to the end of American global leadership.
  • Baden
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    Ah, ok. Well maybe Trump resigns and Pence's ecstatic joy turns into a cardiac arrest and Pelosi dies of boredom at the sound of her own bullshit. And then... Grassley. Nah. Hopeless.
  • Baden
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    Here's the current listMichael

    Damn, Ben Carson is only about a dozen sudden deaths away from the presidency. Frightening.
  • Wayfarer
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    The current Republican Party is not, in fact, ‘the Republican Party’. They’ve become ‘the Trump cult’. He, meanwhile, is utterly convinced that he’s untouchable - that he can ‘tweet the law away’.

    Personally, I hope (and believe) he’s going to get charged with perjury and that he won’t see out his term.
  • Wallows
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    Impeachment will not prevail, as long as the economy is having such a huge rally.

    It's just a matter of finding the right candidate for the next person in the office. Hopefully a woman.
  • Michael
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    Hopefully a woman.Wallows

    Why?
  • Wallows
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    Why?Michael

    Just for a change, ya know? Republicans being manly men and all. Democrats need to appeal to women t hoist up the base for the upcoming elections.
  • VagabondSpectre
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    IMO, if the democrats stopped playing identity politics they would win by a landslide. Hillary was telling us that one of her merits was that she is a woman at the same time she was colluding with the DNC leadership to screw over Bernie Sanders. It would be neat and all to have a female president, but voting on emotion on is the mistake I hoped Americans would learn from electing Trump in the first place.
  • Terrapin Station
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    Personally, I hope (and believe) he’s going to get charged with perjury and that he won’t see out his term.Wayfarer

    There's no way that's going to happen even if he gets charged with perjury today. They could easily tie that up with all sorts of legal stalls--plus it would take forever even without intentional stalls. No way that would get done in less than two years at this point.

    Democrats need to put their focus on who they're going to run against Trump and just how they're going to successfully market that person so they can win. They should be getting started on this already. It's really pretty foolish to wait until four-five months before the election (which practically means that they need a narrow stable of candidates now and they need to develop marketing strategies for all of them now).

    Trying to win via getting rid of or somehow handicapping Trump isn't going to work. You're not going to get rid of him quickly enough (if at all), and he's basically impossible to handicap. If Democrats can't make a candidate seem more appealing on his/her own merits, Trump will win again.
  • Rank Amateur
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    Neither the DOJ or any state or local entity is going to charge a sitting President with any crime - maybe and I say maybe with the exception of some violent crime.

    The house is not going to impeach the President as long as it seems very unlikely the Senate would confirm the finding. Which we are a very far way from.

    IMO - these are both good things for the country - If somehow Trump was impeached - it would just make him a martyr to his base. The country needs to defeat Trump in the next election - and show him and the world we have not completely lost our minds as a country.

    One can hope anyway.
  • tim wood
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    Your view makes sense, providing Trump did not deal with the Russians. If he did, then your view is a mistake. I think the "world" has taken his measure, and impeachment will restore some of the lost trust and respect.

    Btw, presidents don't get indicted. As I read it, if the President murders someone, he must first be removed from office, then arrested, indicted, tried.

    Art. 3 Sec. 4:
    The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
  • Rank Amateur
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    Btw, presidents don't get indicted. As I read it, if the President murders someone, he must first be removed from office, then arrested, indicted, tried.tim wood

    it is not a set rule - but agree it would be near impassible to indict a sitting president.

    Your view makes sense, providing Trump did not deal with the Russians. If he did, then your view is a mistake. I think the "world" has taken his measure, and impeachment will restore some of the lost trust and respect.tim wood

    - equally valid. All things in the fullness of time I guess. Hope we don't have to wait too long for the fullness of time to be done with Donald Trump
  • Metaphysician Undercover
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    Democrats need to put their focus on who they're going to run against Trump and just how they're going to successfully market that person so they can win.Terrapin Station

    Actually, the Republicans need to figure out how to get rid of Trump and get someone respectable to run in his place, in time for the next election. Impeachment might be a good option.
  • Terrapin Station
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    Actually, the Republicans need to figure out how to get rid of Trump and get someone respectable to run in his place,Metaphysician Undercover

    Republicans who don't like Trump, you mean?
  • Michael
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    Actually, the Republicans need to figure out how to get rid of Trump and get someone respectable to run in his place, in time for the next election.Metaphysician Undercover

    How about Mueller? :wink:
  • Metaphysician Undercover
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    Can't be ... too ironic. Though you might be onto something there, truth always proves to be stranger than fiction.
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