• alan1000
    172
    Shouting has no place in philosophy. The still small voice of reason appeals to the intellect, not the eardrum. However much one may like sausages or David Bowie.
  • unenlightened
    8.7k
    Your suggestion does not appeal to the intellect. Philosophers are also humans and like to socialise and go off topic. If there were not suitable places for such activity, it would happen more in the philosophical threads where it really does not belong.
  • Baden
    15.5k


    You don't actually have to shout to yourself what's written in the Shoutbox.

    Any other issues, let us know. :up:
  • alan1000
    172
    Unfortunately, objective analysis in philosophy does not recognise the right to go "off topic". "Off topic", by defnition, is not relevant to the question being posted. Or am I being too subtle here?

    On the other hand, if you are referring to brainstorming (which can have a philosophical value), perhaps the page name should be changed to reflect this. "Shouting" is chiefly associated with Fascist and Communist philosophies.
  • alan1000
    172
    "Philosophers are also humans and like to socialise and go off topic."

    That is why we have Facebook and Twitter.
  • alan1000
    172
    "If there were not suitable places for such activity, it would happen more in the philosophical threads where it really does not belong."

    This is essentially an admission of incompetence on the part of the moderators.
  • unenlightened
    8.7k
    This is essentially an admission of incompetence on the part of the moderators.alan1000

    Yes it is. moderators here are unpaid volunteers, and they don't catch everything. It is an art anyway, not a science, because one has to have an eye for the members as they are. There's no point in deleting, stuff all the time and alienating folks. They'll just go somewhere else. At the same time an unmoderated site is inevitably shit. Here of course we manage the perfect balance of alienating shit-posters, and allowing different levels of wisdom to interact fairly freely. I have been conditioned to think so anyway.
  • Shawn
    12.6k
    It never seemed to be an issue until, well never really.

    It's a community anyways.
  • javi2541997
    4.7k
    You literally shouted when you had started this thread...
  • fdrake
    5.8k
    Because the rule of contribution in the shoutbox permits any conversation or contribution, any posts in it are on topic. The hidden purpose of the shoutbox is to produce a satori about the nature of discourse; the philosophical underpinnings of conversation are the conversational underpinnings of philosophy.

    Naturally the equation of the two in principle does not establish the equation of the two as practices. But since both are practices there's no identity established in principle either.

    QED through the absence of proof. The Shoutbox stays.
  • Heracloitus
    487
    It's good to have a free-for-all section.
  • BC
    13k
    You need to get out more. People need places where they can exhibit their normal human irrationality, and yell at each other, or just yell.

    The "still small voice" belongs to the Holy Ghost, not to mere mortals--everyone here. People can shout reasonably.
  • Metaphysician Undercover
    12.2k
    It appears this thread is becoming a second shoutbox.
    Nice work Alan1000!
  • SophistiCat
    2.2k
    I DISAGREE!!1
  • Moliere
    3.9k
    It would be a delicious sort of irony if this thread became the new shoutbox
  • Shawn
    12.6k
    Hyde Park.
  • T Clark
    13k
    You literally shouted when you had started this thread...javi2541997

    You should look up the meaning of "shout." Also "literal."
  • Paine
    1.9k
    "Battle cries and champagne just in time for sunrise."
  • Baden
    15.5k
    So, if this is Shoutbox 2, should we just put all the pig stuff here?
  • Baden
    15.5k
    What say ye @Shawn?
  • Noble Dust
    7.8k
    This morning I had left over fries diced up and re-fried, topped with provolone and ketchup. Unhealthy but tasty.
  • Paine
    1.9k

    That does sound fun.
    Just got my first test saying my cholesterol is too high.
  • Moliere
    3.9k
    Really, if we're going to put pig stuff in the shoutbox, then it ought to be in both. ;)
  • Shawn
    12.6k


    Pigs just make some noise; but, they're really just harmless.
  • Banno
    22.9k
    Pigs just make some noise; but, they're really just harmless.Shawn

    Balls.



    Nasty fuckers.
  • Baden
    15.5k


    Maybe we should copy all posts from Shoutbox 1 to Shoutbox 2 and vice versa in case someone misses something. :chin: :snicker:
  • Moliere
    3.9k
    I, for one, would not want anyone to be out of the loop. Especially @alan1000
  • Jack Cummins
    5k

    When I first came across the Shoutbox I wondered what was going on. However, after seeing it for over a year, I now see it value because some of the philosophy debates can be so academic and detached from life. Sometimes, the Shoutbox seems full of pigs, and it does put me off a little, but on the other hand, I I probably feel so oppressed by philosophical pigs and other creatures, that a certain amount of light relief is necessary. It may be that the Shoutbox allows for a certain amount of emotional ventilation which cannot be contained in the rational perimeters of so many philosophers threads.
  • Banno
    22.9k
    The shoutbox is sacred, pointing back to previous incarnations of the forum. It was there on the front page, and much more immediate, a place for less formal and more open conversation.

    But we Elder were cast out, wandering the webs until @Jamal made this place for us.

    And he gave us the new shoutbox, a faded memory from the Dreaming.

    You children would not understand.

    So suck it up, or fuck off.
  • Baden
    15.5k
    But we Elder were cast out, wandering the webs until Jamal made this place for us.Banno

    I could have told you where this gaff was straight off, mate, seeing as it was set up before old PF finally collapsed. But you probably like wandering around webs anyway.
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