• Hillary
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    Belief is a term I try to use carefully. I consider posits. Many worlds is a posit I personally consider to have a higher credence to the 0.1% credence I assign to the god posit.universeness

    You are free to believe what you like. But I dont let myself be fooled.
  • Hillary
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    In my experience, an expert is (usually) immediately recognizable. Don't ask me how!Agent Smith

    It's easy: they seem to know what they talk about. They role play. That's why you are fooled by them... :grin:
  • universeness
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    Not realizing the so-called experts are inly human after all. And their scholarly
    and objective knowledge turns out to be no more than an opinion.
    Hillary

    But so are you 'only human!' It's up to the individual to decide who in their OPINION they are most convinced by for a particular topic. Expertise and experience in the field you are talking about is imo an important factor but I agree it's not a totalitarian dictate. You have to turn to religious or autocratic political authority to encounter that.
  • javi2541997
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    Danger Danger! Who will then decide who has the right to speak?universeness

    The mods of this forum, supposedly...
  • Hillary
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    If all particles are in truth, merely field disturbances then you never observe the exact same particle twice, as each time you do an experiment you will be involving the field disturbances at that instant in timeuniverseness

    But, in truth, they aren't field fluctuations. Maybe field excitations, but these are merely time extended field fluctuations (virtual particles). The fields are secondary, the particles primary. The fields are just mathematical descriptions of particles, not the particles themselves. A particle is just a 6 dimensional structure with charge inside them. The field, an operator valued distribution in spacetime, describes the evolution of the accompanying wavefunctions. The motion of a particle is completely determined.
  • universeness
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    The mods of this forum, supposedly...javi2541997

    Well someone has to 'moderate,' yes and you will have your opinions as to the fairness of their judgments and there is a mechanism on this forum that allows you to appeal a moderator's decision.
    A relatively fair balance when you compare it with other systems.
    IMO there is no better/fairer system than democracy.
  • javi2541997
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    Smh... You will never understand me...
  • Hillary
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    But so are you 'only human!' It's up to the individual to decide who in their OPINION they are most convinced by for a particular topic.universeness

    There you go! So if people want to believe that gods or God truly exist, its up to them.

    You have to turn to religious or autocratic political authority to encounter that.universeness

    Same can be said of science. And at the moment, it's science that has political power and should be learned at schools by law, as you surely know! So it's just the bible replaced by the physics books. Or computer books, in your case.
  • Hillary
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    You prefer a dictatorship, Japanese emperor style?
  • universeness
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    What's the evidence of a multiverse?Hillary

    There is no direct empirical evidence of a multiverse but there are ideas such as continuing inflation creating bubble universes and the fact that life exists in this Universe requiring other failed examples (the goldilocks universe.) If you keep tossing a coin will there be an occasion when it lands perfectly balanced on its edge? Yes but you need a vast number of attempts.
    The Penrose bounce / the oscillating Universe are also interesting posits and if Penrose can actually prove his theory of hawking points then that would be even more interesting.
    You just love your own theory that's all. It's a similar idea to the rather course truth that we like the smell of our own farts but not the smell of anyone elses!
  • Hillary
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    There is no direct empirical evidenceuniverseness

    :up:

    See? Same belief
  • javi2541997
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    The American calling Japan a dictatorship :rofl:
    YOUR COUNTRY IS THE ONLY ONE IN THE HISTORY WHICH USED NUKE WEAPONS
    so do not speak about others states...
  • universeness
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    Smh... You will never understand me..javi2541997

    I can only offer to try to but perhaps you are correct.
    Can anyone FULLY understand anyone else?
    Can anyone FULLY understand themselves even? When we don't still know for sure where we came from, why we are here and what our ultimate fate is.
  • universeness
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    See? Same beliefHillary

    No, you conflate evidence with belief!
  • Hillary
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    but there are ideas such as continuing inflation creating bubble universes and the fact that life exists in this Universe requiring other failed examples (the goldilocks universe.) If you keep tossing a coin will there be an occasion when it lands perfectly balanced on its edge? Yes but you need a vast number of attempts.universeness

    Unwarranted beliefs! What causes inflation in the first place? A coin can indeed land on its side. It happened with a coin of mine! But there is no connection with many world fantasies. The coin flipping is just a determined process.
  • Hillary
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    No, you conflate evidence with belief!universeness

    No. You believe in many worlds. But where is the evidence?
  • Hillary
    1.9k
    The American calling Japan a dictatorship :rofl:
    YOUR COUNTRY IS THE ONLY ONE IN THE HISTORY WHICH USED NUKE WEAPONS
    so do not speak about others states...
    javi2541997

    Who says Im an American?
  • javi2541997
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    Agreed. I wish I can reach your intelligence
  • Hillary
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    Then you're wrong. And I was referring to Japan during wartime. WW2. Yukio regretted not to have entered war. Which was a lucky happening, as he could have been killed. Considering his love for death and blood this would have been no problem...
  • universeness
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    But, in truth, they aren't field fluctuations. Maybe field excitations, but these are merely time extended field fluctuations (virtual particles). The fields are secondary, the particles primary. The fields are just mathematical descriptions of particles, not the particles themselves. A particle is just a 6 dimensional structure with charge inside them. The field, an operator valued distribution in spacetime, describes the evolution of the accompanying wavefunctionsHillary

    I was watching various QM and QFT offerings on YouTube. Some of the RI lectures are very good. I have watched many of them over the years. I think that the movement now is towards the idea that particles don't exist at all and its all about fields and field fluctuations/disturbances/excitations/perturbations etc. The number of dimensions involved is still a big unknown I think. I still give most credence to the posit that all the field excitations are caused by inter-dimensional vibrating strings.
  • universeness
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    No. You belief in many worlds. But where is the evidence?Hillary

    No I dont, I assign the posit a credence level.
  • Hillary
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    I think that the movement now isuniverseness

    Again, propaganda. Don't follow the movement. Follow your own moves. There are a lot of other movements telling that the fields are math. And what it describes as real.
  • Hillary
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    No I dont, I assign the posit a credence level.universeness

    You see? And some assign higher credence level to gods or God.
  • universeness
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    Agreed. I wish I can reach your intelligencejavi2541997

    That's very kind! I wish I could convince you that you can defeat your self-doubt and you are easily as intelligent as I am.
  • Hillary
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    Why you think Im American? Because my last name is Hillary?
  • universeness
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    You see? And some assign higher credence level to gods or GodHillary

    :rofl: I KNOW! (I hate to throw 'No shit Sherlock! at you I don't mean to offend.) We have been exchanging our views on that very point for quite a while now.
  • Hillary
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    No. You belief in many worlds. But where is the evidence?
    — Hillary

    No I dont, I assign the posit a credence level.
    universeness

    Many worlds just don't exist. So how can you assign them a credence level?
  • Hillary
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    I KNOWuniverseness

    Finally the universeness has seen the light! You're promoted to real universe! :lol:
  • universeness
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    So it's just the bible replaced by the physics books.Hillary

    In other words, 'Progress!' :smile:
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