How does the encroachment of the West in Putin's neighborhood warrant bombing civilians? I think you would say it can't warrant it. — frank
think you should spend a second looking at this through a lens of morality. — frank
You're probably right. — frank
I regret to inform that your government is not in Washington but in London. — Olivier5
Let's say the US support is more diversified, but in terms of armor, Russia's abandoned tanks and carriers did 'give' to Ukraine more than all western nations combined. — Olivier5
Beyond that, moral issues raised by Russian brutality is not something I can do anything about. If I let myself get carried away by these atrocities, I will only be increasing the militaristic rhetoric (and actions) that are currently going on. — Manuel
If morality is your main concern, why not talk about Yemen? — Manuel
I find this to be distasteful. If you won't condemn Russia, your condemnation of the US is meaningless. Your condemnation of the Holocaust is meaningless. — frank
If you don’t want to play this game, I don’t care. If you don’t want to play this game with me, then stop answering me. — neomac
But it can be a means to achieve “humanitarian goal” if by “humanitarian goal” you are referring to human rights as we, in western democracies, understand them and sovereignty can be a pre-condition for the implementation of state apparatuses supporting human rights. — neomac
Let’s assume for the sake of the argument that “In 2 fewer die” is correct and that that’s all that counts. How likely is strategy 2 going to succeed? And how long is it going to take? — neomac
frank
Frank, I have said I don't know, over 10 times that what Russia is doing is criminal. I don't know if you want me to recite a poem about how stupid this decision was.
But by doing this, I achieve nothing of moral value, nor does it make me feel good or righteous. — Manuel
You said you were cautious about condemning Russia because you fear the repercussions of speaking out. — frank
And believe it is morally commendable. — Manuel
I genuinely do not understand at all, how condemning Russia helps in any way, to resolve this conflict. — Manuel
The decision to scuttle the deal coincided with Johnson’s April visit to Kyiv, during which he reportedly urged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to break off talks with Russia for two key reasons: Putin cannot be negotiated with, and the West isn’t ready for the war to end.
The evidence isn’t easily verifiable. — Xtrix
You have to say it to the exclusion of all other speech, apparently. — Isaac
That could lead to something. Or it could fail. Best we can do is try at least. — Manuel
So one cannot say that the US is evidently blocking negotiations. It is not. — Olivier5
I grant you that the US is not encouraging negotiations either. — Olivier5
So what would happen if Biden or anyone else would try and "force" Ukraine to initiate peace negotiations? Only more posturing. — Olivier5
One of the reasons it doesn't make much sense to point to arms dealing as the main reason for American involvement is that Obama declined to take forceful action when Russia took Crimea in 2014. You have to explain what changed between now and then. — frank
It appears that they are, yes. Is it easily “verified”? No— because the meetings occur behind closed doors and we’re left only with accounts given by officials who are present and who corroborate the charge — Xtrix
So what is your stance exactly? That the US is neutral regarding negotiations? — Xtrix
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