• Alkis Piskas
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    No problem. I got it, anyway! :smile:
    I don't know if you realized ... We have completely destroyed this topic! :grin:
  • Raymond
    649
    You are not your body!"Alkis Piskas

    Now thats real nonsense...
  • Raymond
    649
    The philosophy forum:

    "A vibrant community of people who rarely agree with each other but who all love philosophy, this is the place for philosophical discussions about knowledge"
  • universeness
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    ... It was with a small "g" ...Alkis Piskas

    Happy to read that.....wink...
    as they don't seem to have a wink emoticon or at least, I couldn't spot one in the group offered.
  • universeness
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    Don't worry about spoiling Agent Smith's (not Banno's) topicAlkis Piskas

    Yeah I know it was Agent Smith's thread, I was more responding to Banno's comment regarding 'poor responses.' i was 'kinda' referring him/her back to the philosophy of Dirty Harry, I have often used with tongue in cheek intention.
  • universeness
    115


    Oh, I forgot to say I will have a look at the thread link provided.....
  • universeness
    115
    Ahoy Scotsman! Why do you think that non-linear time is associated with multiple time dimensions? Time can be circular in one dimension. On the microscale virtual particles states in the vacuum are represented by a circle, a vacuum bubble. Virtual photons or virtual particle/antiparticle pairs, are represented by closed one particle propagators in Feynman diagrams. In a sense such a particle rotates in spacetime and it can be released from it's closed periodic prison by real particles, like an electron and a positron can excite the closed photon loop, giving two real photons (which is called the annihilation of an electron by a positron), and two photons can excite the virtual electron loop to create an electron and a positron (or another pair). It were these loops that were the only material presence at the singularity. Time went back and forth. Then... bang! Freedom!

    Ahoy Earther!

    Because the meaning of the word linear, in the mathematical sense, is one dimensional, lineland,
    just like 2D space is notionally called flatland
    You cannot get a 1D circle, a circle is 2D.
    If space and time are not separable then it follows that in a 1D spacetime you cannot have 2D time.
    Raymond
    Closed time loops are a possibility in general relativity.Raymond
    On the microscale virtual particles states in the vacuum are represented by a circle, a vacuum bubble.Raymond
    Virtual photons or virtual particle/antiparticle pairs, are represented by closed one particle propagators in Feynman diagrams.Raymond
    These are all states found in 3 dimensions, not 1.


    By the way, there are two books Brian Greene wrote. I think the story about the rotating bucket is written in The Fabric.Raymond

    Ok, I haven't read 'The Fabric', too many books, not enough lifetime!
  • Alkis Piskas
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    as they don't seem to have a wink emoticonuniverseness
    :wink: (Just add colons to your "wink")
  • Agent Smith
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    Agent Smith's threaduniverseness

    Nothing is mine. :sad:
  • universeness
    115


    again, thanks for these wee computing lessons, it seems I need them :wink:
    I used to teach hypertext! I think I need a refresher
  • Raymond
    649
    The solution:

    Entropic time can be proven non-existent in the light of the perfect clock time. The perfect clock time, on the other hand, is proven an unreal, non-existent, in the light of it's entropic counterpart.

    In mathematical terms:

    The periodic function sin(at), t being the clock time, or coordinate time, used as the basis for the clock time itself. The clock is defined as a periodic process with constant. Every periodic function functioning as the base of a clock can be expressed as a superposition of pure sine functions with constant periods. It's a fact of nature that processes with a constant period do not exist. It follows logically, undubitably, self- as well as logically consistently, while complying to the strict imperatives of scientific rationality, that t is ill defined and no real existing parameter in our universe.
    Only in the virtual reality of the quantum vacuum, t is present intrinsically as a true parameter. All quantum field fluctuations can be expressed as a superposition of independent fixed energy and fixed momentum oscillations, both forward and backwards in time (anti-particles). These oscillations are a clock but they can't be used as a reference clock.
  • universeness
    115


    I think I missed some of your sentences, sorry, have quoted and responded below:

    Good. Thanks. :smile: Thanks god, I have been justified, at least partly! :smile: (Really, now. I'm not a theist. Note the small "g" again ...Alkis Piskas

    ha ha.... :grin:

    I don't know if you realized ... We have completely destroyed this topic!Alkis Piskas

    we have become death! the destroyers of topic threads... :naughty:
    Oppenheimer would not be happy!
  • Banno
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    Yeah, but at which hour?, which minute?, which second?, which nanosecond......planck time...ad nauseam, did Banno write this?universeness

    I think that basic lesson in physics, the one on working with errors, should be compulsory.

    universeness, to the day will do.
  • universeness
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    I think that basic lesson in physics, the one on working with errors, should be compulsory.
    universeness, to the day will do.
    Banno

    Logic is temporal, as logic is an aspect of thought and thought is temporal, because it takes time to think! Go ahead, have an atemporal thought, how long does it take for one of your neurons to fire? Probably faster than a day, but certainly a 'small time packet' will be involved.....so temporal.
    I think that basic lesson on thinking, the one on working with errors, should be compulsory
  • Banno
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    Logic is temporaluniverseness

    Then you will have no trouble identifying for us the temporal elements in propositional calculus.

    @Agent Smith, you have some familiarity with language games, and the errors that arise when they are mixed willy-nilly. What do you think of ?
  • Agent Smith
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    Agent Smith, you have some familiarity with language games, and the errors that arise when they are mixed willy-nilly. What do you think of ↪universeness ?Banno

    Truth is Wittgenstein, nec caput nec pedes.

    Universeness? The only discussion I had with him/her I can remember was on antinatalism. S/he's a natalist not because but despite (the illusion of) happiness!
  • Banno
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    Truth is Wittgenstein, nec caput nec pedes.Agent Smith

    A shame.

    I was referring to:
    Logic is temporal, as logic is an aspect of thought and thought is temporal, because it takes time to think! Go ahead, have an atemporal thought, how long does it take for one of your neurons to fire? Probably faster than a day, but certainly a 'small time packet' will be involved.....so temporal.universeness

    This is the sort of muddle that results.

    To be sure, there are some rather neat temporal logics
  • Agent Smith
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    A shame.Banno

    Indeed!

    This is the sort of muddle that results.Banno

    Oh! Sorry, didn't read universeness's post. S/he seems busy...
  • universeness
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    Then you will have no trouble identifying for us the temporal elements in propositional calculusBanno

    My choice of methodology is for me to offer not for you to insist.
  • universeness
    115



    enjoy your bromance boys/girls/mixers!
  • universeness
    115
    Then you will have no trouble identifying for us the temporal elements in propositional calculusBanno

    In fact, I will do that for you as soon as you present your arguments to me in the form of Klingon and in the form of the programming language C++
  • unenlightened
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    Sometimes we live no particular way but our own
    And sometimes we visit your country and live in your home
    Sometimes we ride on your horses, sometimes we walk alone
    Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own
    — Hunter/Garcia

    Therefore, there are some times.
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