but contradictions are meaningless if time is unreal (re definition of contradiction). — Agent Smith
Could you elaborate on that? — john27
Assume U = Time is unreal.
If U is true then there must be a proof (call it ϕ1) that U — Agent Smith
However, if rollercoasters are immune to the status of illusory entities, then I say we have a problem, because I don't know how one can ride one, if there's no time involved. — Manuel
Could you elaborate on that? — john27
I guess he means that it doesn't make sense to say “it is impossible for the same thing to be and not be at the same time” if time is unreal. — Amalac
Assume U = Time is unreal.
If U is true then there must be a proof (call it ϕ1) that U
— Agent Smith
Why? Is time is unreal a mathematical theorem?
Since we experience the passage of time it seems quite real. But not physically so like a doughnut. — jgill
Conclusion: It's impossible to prove Time is unreal (U). — Agent Smith
It's impossible to prove that my underpants are real. — unenlightened
The periodic motion of the clock can be divided in arbitrarily small parts, though some say its motion is quantized, that time is discrete, which entails a difficulty of determining when the next unit of time comes into play, for a short while, everything is static. The numbers on the clock are placed on the time axis with the result that there are even points in time. But can a continuum really broken into parts? — Raymond
But if the ideal clock is removed, then all these features must start and stop at precisely the same time, to account for the truth of the proposition that physical motion is quantized, unless time is driven by some non-physical property of the universe. — Metaphysician Undercover
there is no evidence from before the big bang, and one could propose absolutely anything as true. — Metaphysician Undercover
Assume R = Time is real — Agent Smith
I see a clock on the wall. Proof! It's real. I take the clock from the wall and smash it on the floor. Kaput! A real basic ingredient of nature is conserved. But clock Kaput! Time is not real. It's an illusion. — Raymond
Time is a persistent illusion — Raymond
If time is an illusion, contradictions are meaningless — Agent Smith
Some equations of quantum gravity (such as the Wheeler–DeWitt equation, which assigns quantum states to the Universe) can be written without any reference to time at all. — Raymond
Suffice it to say that many phenomena e.g. light (Hz) become meaningless without time. — Agent Smith
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