• 180 Proof
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    Thanks for this.

    :chin: :up:
  • FrankGSterleJr
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    Maybe some securely allied nations, including the U.S. and Canada (and Taiwan, of course, if that's even possible), combining their resources could go without the usual Beijing-bully trade/investment tether they'd prefer to sever, instead trading necessary goods and services between themselves and other interested non-allied, non-China-bound nation economies.

    Then, again, maybe such an alliance has already been covertly discussed but rejected due to Chinese government strategists knowing how to ‘divide and conquer’ potential alliance nations by using door-wedge economic/political leverage custom-made for each nation.

    Indeed, perhaps every country typically placing its own economic and big business bottom-line interests foremost may always be its, and therefore collectively our, Achilles' Heel to be exploited by huge-market nations like China.

    Meantime, our Western big businesses would still very much desire access to China's nearly 1.5 billion consumers. We’ve seen how the big-business representatives snivel whenever China gets agitated by thus implies potential banishment of any of them who dares refer to Hong Kong or Taiwan as anything other than belonging 100% to the Chinese motherland and Beijing’s whim.

    Even then, China's restrictive control over its own business sector thus market may give it an edge over Western free-market nations.
  • FrankGSterleJr
    96


    American, Canadian [and perhaps British] governance, unlike China's, is heavily steered and therefore disadvantaged by corporate interests, sometimes through economic intimidation (and I'm not just talking about huge party donations come election time).

    It’s as though the elected heads are meant to represent huge money interests over those of the working citizenry and poor. Accordingly, major political decisions will normally foremost reflect what is in the influential corporations’ best interests.

    For example, if China gets offended, it can threaten to disallow/discontinue access by the offending Western nation's privately-owned big businesses to China’s huge consumer base, the world's singularly largest. Predictably, the big businesses' corporate lobbyists will unleash their fullest manipulation efforts on their home-nation's government to capitulate to Beijing's demands. And China's control over its own industry/business sector thus market may even give it an additional edge over Western free-market nations.

    Anyone who doubts the potent persuasion of huge business interests here need to consider how high-level elected officials can become crippled by implicit/explicit threats to transfer or eliminate jobs and capital investment, thus economic stability, if corporate ‘requests’ aren’t met.

    It’s a crippling that’s made even worse by a blaring news-media that’s permitted to be naturally critical of incumbent governments, especially in regards to job and capital transfers and economic weakening.
    Seriously, why wouldn't China take advantage of this Western-way weakness?
  • ssu
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    For example, if China gets offended, it can threaten to disallow/discontinue access by the offending Western nation's privately-owned big businesses to China’s huge consumer base, the world's singularly largest.FrankGSterleJr
    And if the West gets offended by Chinese actions, it can do the same to China which it did for Russia. And China is even more dependent of exports to the West and on resources that are imported across the sea lanes. Still.

    With the war in Ukraine, have seen already that when it come to international politics, trade relations are of secondary importance in a deep crisis.

    role of China's exports compared to India and the US:

    1610_ICOFC_FreeStory_web_W495.gif
  • Athena
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    In measurements of IQ, Asians are scoring higher than the US. Not only are they scoring higher but China's population is much larger than the US so around 2050 China will have 8 high IQ people to every 1 in the US. I think I will bet on China surpassing the US.

    But what are the goals? What should we measure when we are considering success?

    Here are IQ statistics https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country
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