• LaRochelle
    12
    Cept one of us.Varde

    Are you a monkey? Considering your short monkey-like comment, this seems to be the case.
  • Varde
    140
    considering we came from Apes, there can only be one monkey, in that context.

    It certainly isn't me.

    I appreciate you being open and that about your art-form, machine.

    I'm sat here alone with lots of p-zombies, some of them are passive-aggressive literally faking to be me.

    It's not good art, you won't be remembered(I appriciate 'you can't help it').
  • boagie
    182
    Biological simulation is not perfect, one needs only look at people considered colour blind because they interpret certain frequencies differently than the majority. It is not a matter of right or wrong but a biological interpretation/simulation. A somewhat different biology, simulates a somewhat different apparent realty.
  • LaRochelle
    12


    A typical monkey reply. Fast and aggressive. What do you know about my art. Absolutely nothing, and considering the fact that you are surrounded by p-zombies I can only infer you are one your self. A monkey version, that is. I appreciate this sad fact. But a monkey can't help she's a monkey. And there is more to learn from a real monkey, than from a p-zombie-like one. Talking about abstract tesseacts without actually knowing what a tesseract is, seems pretty p-zombie like. People being tesserats... What trip you are on. I like LSD too, but to see people as tesseracts is one fucking bridge too far. So, in your holy tesseraxy, I wish you all the best! I hope you become immortal, being an empty vessel of memes trying to replicate and multiply. Good look in your attempt to do so. Make them immortal and submit the world to their inherent misery.
  • LaRochelle
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    Biological simulation is not perfect, one needs only look at people considered colour blind because they interpret certain frequencies differently than the majority. It is not a matter of right or wrong but a biological interpretation/simulation. A somewhat different biology, simulates a somewhat different apparent realty.boagie

    Ah! A sign of intelligence. I read that blind people, seeing only blackness, still have a sense of visual direction. Will we seeing people be ever capable experiencing that? There are different regions in the visual cortex. We can assign a directive function to it, but will that ever "explain" the conscious experience? Or will the notion of a wavelength explain red or blue?
  • Varde
    140
    don't howl at me, you bafoon, or is it baboon? Lots of monkey talk, ensues...
  • LaRochelle
    12
    don't howl at me, you bafoon, or is it baboon? Lots of monkey talk, ensues...Varde



    Sono un buffone!
  • boagie
    182
    What's the difference between apparent reality and ultimate reality? The answer, biological readout presences us with apparent reality. We know enough about ultimate reality to know that it is a place of no things. Apparent is biological experience. Ultimate reality in a limited way is the stuff of biological readout/interpretation, the the limited sum, of which is apparent reality.
  • boagie
    182

    Your examples given, just underline the fact that differing biologies perceive different apparent realities. Perception is biological reaction, so too perhaps, is consciousness. The mechanics of it, the workings, is what is, the hard problem.
  • TheMadFool
    13.7k
    What intrigues me and also bothers me is that in the simulated virtual realities we build like in video games, the laws of nature that operate in the real world are violated, with impunity I might add - characters fly, magical spells are cast, to name but two of the "illegal" activities going on in virtual reality.

    In short, a simulated reality is richer in terms of possibilities than the real world. Amazingly, from what little I could glean, there's virtual physics that control the mechanics of such...supernormal and/or supernatural virtual phenomena.

    Virtual physics! :chin:

    And more too...

    What gives?
  • TheMadFool
    13.7k
    Are you a monkey? Considering your short monkey-like comment, this seems to be the case.LaRochelle

    :rofl:
  • 180 Proof
    6.5k
    C'mon, Fool ...

    The program rules simulate a physics for a simulated world. Simulation programs themselves, however, must be consistent with real world physics (e.g. Universal Turing machines).
  • TheMadFool
    13.7k
    The program rules simulate a physics for a simulated world. Simulation programs themselves, however, must be consistent with real world physics (e.g. Universal Turing machines).180 Proof

    This in itself is a paradox: We can break the laws of nature in a simulation even though the very code, the very machine running the code for that very simulation have to abide by them. It's like a cop telling a citizen to do something illegal.
  • 180 Proof
    6.5k
    The simulated agents within the simulated world cannot "break its rules" – change the program. Real agents are not subject to the enabling-constraints of their simulations and, therefore, can change the program at wilk.. No "paradox", Fool, just more sloppy "thinking".
  • TheMadFool
    13.7k
    The simulated agents within the simulated world cannot "break its rules" – change the program. Real agents are not subject to the enabling-constraints of their simulations. No "paradox", just sloppy "thinking".180 Proof

    I never claimed that simulated "agents" can break the rules of the virtual world they're in; nevertheless, I've seen hilarious and annoying as hell glitches in games.
  • 180 Proof
    6.5k
    I know you didn't and I didn't state or imply you did.
  • TheMadFool
    13.7k
    No "paradox", Fool, just more sloppy "thinking".180 Proof

    How is it not a paradox? A gravity-obeying machine can generate a world (the simulation) where gravity-defying feats can be accomplished.

    I can use the laws of nature to violate the laws of nature.
  • 180 Proof
    6.5k
    A gravity-obeying machine can generate a world (the simulation) where gravity-defying feats can be accomplished.TheMadFool
    Sloppy. As. Fuck. :sweat:
  • TheMadFool
    13.7k
    Sloppy. As. Fuck180 Proof

    I did all I could. It's all in God's hands now. :rofl:
  • TheMadFool
    13.7k
    Shit.. it's like we all copied each other's answers in a high school test. :joke:Tom Storm

    :lol:
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