No great marriage ends in divorce. People should be free to take actions that finalize their internal state. I don't recommend "normalizing" infidelity if that's even coherent, but legislating against free choices is stupid. Leaving it legal allows things to end sometimes. Unless one fancies themselves a property owner rather than a mate. If the law is the only thing keeping your other honest then go ahead and give up while you got years left to enjoy.I encourage you all to write objections to my OP if you have any. I tried to keep it short so I didn’t mention everything to be said about the topic. On a final note, I want to mention that I think there is a rather bad history regarding adultery being illegal where women were charged with it a lot more often than men were. I don’t think this is how adultery laws should work and laws in general are only as good as how they are implemented — TheHedoMinimalist
Suppose there was a hypothetical society that felt that adultery should be illegal but child porn should be legal. Why should I think that this society is inferior to our current society on the topic in question? My whole argument is that this hypothetical society has better attitudes on this issue than how our current society feels on these matters. — TheHedoMinimalist
The possession of child porn is not violence though. It has an extremely indirect causal relationship to the actual sexual abuse of children in our own country. — TheHedoMinimalist
What you say "seems" right only in a vacuum, not so much in many other recent historical and national contexts. According to Human Rights Watch (contra the "Nordic Model" used in The Netherlands and elsewhere) ... https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/08/07/why-sex-work-should-be-decriminalized# . Also consider this recent article. — 180 Proof
Why can’t you do both though?
It seems like a bad idea to let criminals dictate policy.
Like, “Whoa whoa whoa fella. We can’t make that legal cuz the criminals will act up and we can’t have that”. Criminals will be criminals, the answer for me is to combat the criminal behaviours, not placate them. I mean, your plan is to punish the people (the johns) who participate in something you just made legal (for sex workers to sex work) instead of punishing the people who A) were the problem in the first place and B) are committing more crime and inflicting more suffering that they were before. (The human traffickers).
That seems pretty assbackwards to me. Is that justice? — DingoJones
To repeat: consumption, possession or distribution of child pornography necessarily requires producing it via criminal sexual assault / abuse of minors. — 180 Proof
Not having thought much about "adultery" in the past, I find myself wondering if our definition thereof is not dependent upon the concept of monogamy. I wonder, how might the above definition be required to change within a polygamous society, there being many societies on Earth (most Muslim, and many non-Muslim African societies, for instance) wherein polygamy is both legal and socially accepted? What should the definition of "adultery" be within the context of a "polygamous marriage"? This question might be somewhat off-topic, as I assume the OP is defining "adultery" in terms of the characteristic "western" marriage. Nevertheless, the question occurs to me...I’ll start by mentioning that I define adultery to be a situation where a member of a romantic couple in a closed relationship, whether married or unmarried, decides to have sexual contact with another person without consent from their partner. When understood in this manner, it seems that adultery produces obvious harm to lots of people... — TheHedoMinimalist
Of course they do. If I start selling poison masqueraded as candy to children oversees, surely the government has a duty to stop me.Presumably, the government of a nation has no duty to prevent the abuse of children in other countries. — TheHedoMinimalist
Suppose there was a hypothetical society that felt that adultery should be illegal but child porn should be legal. Why should I think that this society is inferior to our current society on the topic in question? — TheHedoMinimalist
A fair point, but not a rebuttal to to my statement. Is your argument that because it takes time that we should just throw the “johns” under the bus? With limited resources choices must be made, priorities serviced. In the multitude of things to put resources towards there is room for both if anyone actually cared, but they dont. — DingoJones
And "Which do I prioritize?" assumes a false dichotomy. Criminalization of 'sex work' endangers (& criminalizes) sex workers AND finances (as well as protects) trafficking which is the status quo in North America. Resources wasted on policing illicit 'sex work' should be repurposed to investigating, breaking-up trafficking networks and prosecuting traffickers-pimps, not only nationally but through international coordination. Apparently, the policy and policing failures in the EU are as great a (or the greater) contributor to trafficking into The Netherlands just as law enforcement failures are with respect to Russian and South American trafficking into the US wherein 'sex work' is criminalized.https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-01-11/calls-mount-to-decriminalize-sex-work-in-the-interest-of-public-health?_gl=1*xn07wr*_ga*V3MwRDFBNHppYnd4d0JSbTJ2UGtTUzY2RElRVGVQLXdPdTI3czVLNHhzeHhmLXo0dUxWbmdQZE8wbnBlajl2RA..
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/08/07/why-sex-work-should-be-decriminalized#
Resources wasted on policing illicit 'sex work' should be repurposed to investigating, breaking-up trafficking networks and prosecuting traffickers-pimps, not only nationally but through international coordination. — 180 Proof
:fire: :strong: :cool:In fact, let's do away with the term "trafficking" and call it what it is: slavery. Why distinguish between a slave trader and a slave owner? I thought we settled this in the 1860s? Guess not. Find a slave owner? Kill the MFr. — James Riley
By contrast, though the production of such pornography is indeed more severe and can create harms, the consumption of child pornography in and of itself is non-consensual sexual exploitation of a child's image. If P and J having consensual relations can be a harm to C, surely non-consensual exploitation of a child is a worse harm to the child. — InPitzotl
No, I don't think so. "Killing animals" (i.e. industrial meat processing) is not illegal, though its endemic gratuitous cruelty is immoral. — 180 Proof
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