• baker
    8
    Let's not then. What would you replace that power with. Criminals all get treated the same regardless of their mental health? The judge just guesses? We put it to a vote? What is it you think we should be doing instead of making diagnoses based on educated guesswork?Isaac
    What are you, as a psychologist, willing to sacrifice in order to reduce the stigma of a psychiatric diagnosis?

    Answer this, and you'll have a context for the above.


    Psychology could cure cancer, find the Holy Grail, and win England the World Cup and it's reputation would remain unaltered amoung the ranks of the bizarre crusade this thread is on.

    If literally nothing I say is contributing to the collective thought process anyway then I might as well swear like a sailor.

    When posting Cambridge University School of Psychology's definition of what psychology covers hasn't budged people an inch from their lazy, puerile assumption that psychology is "Freud 'n that init", what more could I possibly do? Lobotomy?
    Isaac
    There is a stereotype about psychologists that says that psychologists have a poor grasp of human nature. Psychologists seem to be really eager to prove this, as often as humanly possible ...

    The negative reactions you often see to psychologists is when people resent the legal power that psychologists have.
  • baker
    8
    It's been about how people should be, and how they might become that way if they aren't so already.
    — baker

    And psychologists have certainly done a fine job on that project!
    Bitter Crank
    Oh yes. That's why people vote for Trump.
  • magritte
    2
    WTF? :chin:TheMadFool
    Science is what science does not what you say.
  • magritte
    2
    There is a stereotype about psychologistsbaker

    Psychologists and philosophers are equally subject to stupid stereotyping because people don't care enough to try to understand. This is also true of almost all academic disciplines and professions.
  • baker
    8
    Psychologists and philosophers are equally subject to stupid stereotyping because people don't care enough to try to understand. This is also true of almost all academic disciplines and professions.magritte

    Oh? It's people who don't care? Or is it that almost no academic disciplines and professions care about people?

    People should care about psychologists, but psychologists should not have to care about people, right.
  • magritte
    2
    It's all you. You probably say the same of all healthcare workers. You're perfect and everyone else is uncaring of perfect you.

    Professionals are part of a system. If they don't do their jobs according to their system then it's up to the system to correct that. If you disagree then go complain, but don't just throw shee at everyone in site.

    Mental health workers don't have the means or time to treat more than the symptoms with medications. Sad, but true.
  • TheMadFool
    26
    Science is what science does not what you say.magritte

    That's alright by me but I'm only toeing the official line here.
  • Isaac
    13


    I have absolutely no idea what any of that means, but I'm delighted by the complete absurdity of it all. I sincerely hope it has no connection to the OP at all and it's a masterful stroke of Dadaism, but I suspect there'll be some more tralatitious meaning...?
  • Richard B
    0
    Wittgenstein wrote this in his last section Philosophical Investigations “The confusion and barrenness of psychology is not to be explained by calling it a “young science”; its state is not comparable with that of physics, for instance, in its beginnings. (Rather with that of certain branches of mathematics. Set Theory). For in psychology there are experimental methods and conceptual confusion. (As in the other case conceptual confusion and methods of proof.)

    The existence of the experimental method makes us think we have the means of solving the problems which trouble us; though problem and method pass one another by.”
  • bongo fury
    1


    If you clicked the first link, what did you hear?

    Perhaps the stimulus was too noisy, literally.

    Anyway, just sharing some lovely (perhaps inauthentic) social history.

    No aspersions or barbs.

    Carry on.
  • Isaac
    13
    What are you, as a psychologist, willing to sacrifice in order to reduce the stigma of a psychiatric diagnosis?

    Answer this, and you'll have a context for the above.
    baker

    I'm really not sure what you think I could do. I was a researcher for most of my career. Now I mainly help organisations include human factors in their long-term risk analysis. What would you have me do differently to effect a change in the stigma associated with psychiatric diagnosis? I really would be glad to help, but I haven't a clue how.

    There is a stereotype about psychologists that says that psychologists have a poor grasp of human nature.baker

    Is there? And..?

    The negative reactions you often see to psychologists is when people resent the legal power that psychologists have.baker

    Really? Do we see the same with judges, barristers, solicitors, policemen, doctors, forensic lab technicians, and graphologists?
  • Isaac
    13
    If you clicked the first link, what did you hear?bongo fury

    Something about ketchup?

    just sharing some lovely (perhaps inauthentic) social history.

    No aspersions or barbs.
    bongo fury

    Cool.
  • bongo fury
    1


    :rofl:

    "... an' they catch 'im... an' they say e's mental!!"

    I think that final gem is the culmination of the speech by the boy pictured (used earlier in the track).

    Hopefully you can see the passing relevance.
  • Isaac
    13
    "... an' they catch 'im... an' they say e's mental!!"bongo fury

    Ah.

    'Ketchup' was better...

    Hopefully you can see the passing relevance.bongo fury

    I do now, yes.
  • baker
    8
    What are you, as a psychologist, willing to sacrifice in order to reduce the stigma of a psychiatric diagnosis?

    Answer this, and you'll have a context for the above.
    — baker

    I'm really not sure what you think I could do. I was a researcher for most of my career. Now I mainly help organisations include human factors in their long-term risk analysis. What would you have me do differently to effect a change in the stigma associated with psychiatric diagnosis? I really would be glad to help, but I haven't a clue how.
    Isaac
    There you go.

    Is it not the case that you hold a vested interest in the proliferation of the stigma associated with psychiatric diagnosis?

    The stigma is, after all, what makes the psychiatric diagnosis so powerful and so relevant. Without the stigma, psychiatric diagnosis would be triflesome.

    There is a stereotype about psychologists that says that psychologists have a poor grasp of human nature.
    — baker
    Is there? And..?
    Yes. From what I've seen, psychologists tend to try really hard to live up to that stereotype. Maybe it's a professional deformation. Maybe it's something deeper than that.

    The negative reactions you often see to psychologists is when people resent the legal power that psychologists have.
    — baker

    Really? Do we see the same with judges, barristers, solicitors, policemen, doctors, forensic lab technicians, and graphologists?
    We can see it with anyone who is in some important way more powerful than we are.
    But psychologists are in a rare position to have the insight into this, due to the nature of their field of study.
  • baker
    8
    It's all you. You probably say the same of all healthcare workers. You're perfect and everyone else is uncaring of perfect you.magritte
    *sigh*

    Professionals are part of a system. If they don't do their jobs according to their system then it's up to the system to correct that. If you disagree then go complain, but don't just throw shee at everyone in site.

    Mental health workers don't have the means or time to treat more than the symptoms with medications. Sad, but true.

    If they persist in that system, they become complicit in whatever said system does.
  • baker
    8
    I think some people have seen movies like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest too many times.Tom Storm
    Besides, that film is a cautionary tale about what one should expect if one tries to play the system.
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