EV “mandates.” Lol.

The climate denial idiocy continues on…

I’ve given your recommendation exactly the amount of attention it deserves: none. As with most climate deniers.

I get that you’re too stupid to understand why — but others do. — Mikie

Here is a news report from Fire and Rescue NSW (FRNSW):

Fire and Rescue NSW recording Lithium-Ion battery fires at a rate of five a week - NSW
Published: 15 Mar 2024 11:48am

Fire and Rescue NSW (FRNSW) has expressed concerns about the rising rate of Lithium-Ion battery fires as crews responded to four separate incidents yesterday.

- Nine fire trucks rushed to an address in Apprentice Drive at Berkeley, on the state’s Central Coast, just after 5pm yesterday when an electric vehicle charging station caught alight. Crews established a defensive perimeter around the business, fearing multiple Lithium-Ion truck batteries were at risk of catching fire. Firefighters extinguished the blaze without further incident.

- Around 4pm yesterday, a tradesman drove to the Tingira Heights Fire Station at Lake Macquarie, alerting firefighters that his toolbox was on fire. The maintenance worker told the crew he was driving when he noticed a large amount of smoke in his rear vision mirror. When he stopped his ute and opened the large toolbox, he found an unattached battery for his hedger ablaze. The man covered the flames in dirt and drove to the nearby fire station. Firefighters opened the toolbox and observed the dirt bubbling as the battery had entered a process, known as ‘Thermal Runaway; whereby the cell was off-gassing and threatening to explode. They submerged the battery in a container of water until the danger had passed.

- In a third incident around 12.45pm yesterday, a fire broke out in the rear of a garbage truck travelling along Derby Street at Silverwater, in Sydney’s west. The driver stopped the truck and tipped the burning rubbish onto the roadway. FRNSW crews arrived and found one battery amongst around 150 Lithium-Ion cells had entered ‘Thermal Runaway’ and was on fire. The battery was submerged in water, preventing a chain reaction, and the scene cleaned up.

- In a fourth Lithium-Ion battery-related blaze, an e-bike caught fire on the third floor of a 10-storey apartment block at Bankstown, in Sydney’s south-west. Residents were evacuated from the French Avenue address around 6.30am, as 25 firefighters and four trucks responded to the scene. Sprinklers were activated and suppressed the flames. The fire crews extinguished the fire and ventilated the building. An occupant suffered a superficial burn when he tried to remove the burning e-bike.

FRNSW has recorded 63 Lithium-Ion battery fires to date in 2024 (this report was published on 15 Mar 2024), subject to review, at a rate of 5.7 blazes a week.

Seven people have been injured in the fires.

There were 272 Lithium-Ion battery-related fires in 2023, at a rate of 5.2 a week.

Thirty eight people were injured last year.

FRNSW is reinforcing its public messages to households and businesses to use extra caution around Lithium-Ion batteries and related devices.

Mikie, do you think that Fire and Rescue NSW (FRNSW) is stupid?

Remember, these problems are only going to get worse as the number of EVs on the road increases.

EV “mandates.” Lol.

The climate denial idiocy continues on… — Mikie

Mikie, I am not surprised that you are ignorant about EV mandates. A little bit of googling would have educated you.

There are EV mandates (or effective mandates) in Europe, UK, China, and Australia. America had an EV mandate until Trump eliminated the electric vehicle (EV) mandate just hours after taking office.

In Britain automakers' EV sales must account for 22% of overall sales this year, rising to 25% in 2025, 33% in 2026, 38% in 2027, 52% in 2028, 66% in 2029, 80% in 2030 and 100% in 2035. In the EU a roughly similar program to outlaw ICE vehicles is defined by fleet carbon dioxide emissions.

In Britain failure to meet these requirements forces manufacturers to either purchase certificates from others who exceeded their targets or face fines of £15,000 per non-compliant vehicle.

Here is the title of an article that I found, "Europe’s Wobbling EV Mandate Will Force Hard Choices".

China’s EV mandate, announced last week (this was published on October 3, 2017), is part of an effort to reach 20% EV sales, or 7 million vehicles, in 2025, Yunshi Wang of the China Center for Energy and Transportation, UC Davis, told the event.

While the Australian emission standard does not mandate EVS the government knows full well that the only way that most brands will meet the target is by selling battery cars to offset the regular petrol and diesel cars. It's an EV mandate by the back door.

For anyone scrolling: don’t listen to the climate denying imbecile. He’s lying, or he’s watching too much Fox News: there has never been an EV “mandate” in the US. Never.

And the climate denying idiocy continues on…

there has never been an EV “mandate” in the US. Never. — Mikie

Mikie, you seem to live in a world of your own. Why don't you try getting out of your mother's basement occasionally.

In an earlier post I said:

There are EV mandates (or effective mandates) in Europe, UK, China, and Australia. America had an EV mandate until Trump eliminated the electric vehicle (EV) mandate just hours after taking office. — Agree-to-Disagree

Try googling "ev mandate america us usa". Here are some results:

This first one is from The White House (the whitehouse.gov domain). I think that they will know about EV mandates if anybody does.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/unleashing-american-energy

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:
Section 2. Policy. It is the policy of the United States:
(e) to eliminate the “electric vehicle (EV) mandate” and promote true consumer choice, which is essential for economic growth and innovation, by removing regulatory barriers to motor vehicle access; by ensuring a level regulatory playing field for consumer choice in vehicles; by terminating, where appropriate, state emissions waivers that function to limit sales of gasoline-powered automobiles; and by considering the elimination of unfair subsidies and other ill-conceived government-imposed market distortions that favor EVs over other technologies and effectively mandate their purchase by individuals, private businesses, and government entities alike by rendering other types of vehicles unaffordable;

RANDY FEENSTRA - Proudly serving the 4th district (the house.gov domain)
https://feenstra.house.gov/media/op-ed/president-bidens-electric-vehicle-mandates-are-costly-and-unrealistic
President Biden’s Electric-Vehicle Mandates are Costly and Unrealistic.
On March 20th, President Biden authorized the largest government mandate of electric vehicles in American history.
But President Biden didn’t stop his attacks on liquid fuels there. Just nine days after he approved his electric-vehicle mandate on American families, he authorized another EPA rule that would impact eight different classes of trucks and require a growing share of trucks – including semis – to be electric over the next decade.
As is commonplace with this administration, President Biden has his priorities misplaced. By forcing mandates on our families while inflation continues to rise, he is increasing costs for Americans at a time when they can least afford it.

Energy & Commerce - Chairman Brett Guthrie (the house.gov domain)
https://energycommerce.house.gov/posts/e-and-c-republicans-lead-to-stop-the-biden-harris-de-facto-ev-mandate
Energy and Commerce Republicans are leading to stop the Biden-Harris administration from imposing unaffordable electric vehicle mandates that will jeopardize our auto industry and hand China the keys to our energy future.

USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2025/01/20/trump-executive-order-day-1-electric-vehicle/77835683007
Trump ends 'electric vehicle mandate,' withdraws US from Paris climate agreement
The orders include eliminating the so-called "electric vehicle mandate," Trump's phrase for a Environmental Protection Agency rule that required auto manufacturers to cut greenhouse gas emissions by half in new light- and medium-duty vehicles beginning in 2027.
The EPA has estimated the rule would force auto manufacturers to build electric vehicles for about 30% to 56% of their new light-duty vehicles by 2032 and 20% to 32% of new medium duty vehicles.

Is this information incorrect because it is in MGUY's video? — Agree-to-Disagree

- Electric cars can 'explode' and the public must be warned say worried UK fire chiefs. — Agree-to-Disagree

What about petrol cars? Can they not explode? Batteries are a new hazard that people need to become aware of. But the information that would be more informative than 'what fire chiefs say' is the comparison.

Australia’s Department of Defence funded EV FireSafe to look into the question. It found there was a 0.0012% chance of a passenger electric vehicle battery catching fire, compared with a 0.1% chance for internal combustion engine cars. (The Home Office said it was unable to provide data for the UK.)

Elon Musk’s Tesla is the world’s biggest maker of electric cars. It says the number of fires on US roads involving Teslas from 2012 to 2021 was 11 times lower per mile than the figure for all cars, the vast majority of which have petrol or diesel engines.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/20/do-electric-cars-pose-a-greater-fire-risk-than-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles.

Fire departments are right to be concerned, and there are new factors to take into account, fumes and restarts, along with unknowns such as the rate of increase as batteries age. Nevertheless, MGUY is more than a little misleading in his representation of the risks of EVs that ignores completely the familiar, and by an order of magnitude greater risks of fossil fuel vehicles.

Horses hardly ever explode; perhaps cars should be banned altogether.

There has never been an EV mandate. True, that’s hard to believe for climate denying idiots who cite Donald Trump as a source.

The orders include eliminating the so-called "electric vehicle mandate," Trump's phrase for a Environmental Protection Agency rule that required auto manufacturers to cut greenhouse gas emissions by half — Agree-to-Disagree

Emphasis mine.

So yeah, the phrase “EV mandate” sure is used a lot, particularly in conservative media. Imagine thinking that this proves something…

The phrase “voter fraud” pops up a lot too. Must mean it’s true (it isn’t).

So both a climate denier and brainwashed by conservative media…but I repeat myself.

Wind turbines kill birds! Same logic.

Oh wait— cats kill 1000 times more birds. Hmm. It’s almost as if these criticisms of renewables are disingenuous.

Really hilarious to watch.

cats kill 1000 times more birds. — Mikie

Yeah but horses hardly kill any birds - they're a win win solution.

There has never been an EV mandate. True, that’s hard to believe for climate denying idiots who cite Donald Trump as a source. — Mikie

Mikie, if you had the ability to "think before acting" and to "consider the complexity of a situation before making a choice" (both of which fruit flies can do :scream: ), then you would make less mistakes.

A mandate is "an official order or commission to do something".

The Environmental Protection Agency rule that required auto manufacturers to cut greenhouse gas emissions by half in new light- and medium-duty vehicles beginning in 2027 IS THE MANDATE.

The EPA has estimated the rule would force auto manufacturers to build electric vehicles for about 30% to 56% of their new light-duty vehicles by 2032 and 20% to 32% of new medium duty vehicles.

This is similar to the Britain mandate which says that automakers' EV sales must account for 22% of overall sales this year, rising to 25% in 2025, 33% in 2026, 38% in 2027, 52% in 2028, 66% in 2029, 80% in 2030 and 100% in 2035.

The British mandate is based on sales figures whereas the USA mandate is based on greenhouse gas emissions.

So you are wrong (as usual). There was an EV mandate in the USA but Trump eliminated it just hours after taking office.