The bottom line question seems to be, would the establishment of a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders lead to a real peace? Or just the next chapter of the conflict?
Best I can tell, Israel has concluded the later, and thus sees little reason to agree to a Palestinian state. — Foghorn
Mai Khalid Afana, a Palestinian doctor and lecturer was executed a few hours ago by Israel murderers after accidentally being on the "Jews Only" side of the road. — StreetlightX
says the guy who came in here and couldn't answer a simple question after 4 attempts — Benkei
Yes, people do tend to whip out their crystal balls as an excuse not to work towards peace. Those are trust issues and it should be moved to where it belongs: negotiating. — Benkei
You want us to take your questions seriously, but you don't take the topic seriously yourself. You've been asked multiple times to demonstrate that you actually care about innocent Arab victims, and you've never provided that evidence, because it doesn't exist. Your entire engagement in this thread is just a pose designed to serve your own emotional situation. — Foghorn
Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus. — Hamas
Because it's irrelevant and I won't be offering such evidence — Benkei
Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea.
Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.
The operative word there being "however". — Benkei
However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity — Hamas
Oh for crying out loud, cut the crap. You won't provide the evidence because there isn't any, and you're not honest enough to admit that. Here's the relevance. Why should we bother to respond to claims made by someone who is not actually interested in the topic??? — Foghorn
I'm not going to divulge my identity you twat. — Benkei
If you were concerned about innocent muslim victims, you'd be able to show a series of posts on this forum where you express concern for the victims of the Assad regime, victims of the Taliban, oppression by the Saudis, the Iranian regime shooting it's own people down in the streets etc. Any of that would do.
If you were sincere, most of your outrage would be directed at those doing most of the harm to innocent muslim victims. — Foghorn
Which is still irrelevant but you're welcome to use the search function and read my 4,500 posts. I'm not going to do it for you. — Benkei
Note that such practices are explicitly called part of the culture of Zionism, according to one of the march's political advocates in the state of Israel, as the New York Times documents. — fdrake
I ask you to turn this post about - imagine it was a Jewish community standing on this precipice, what would you recommend? I think we already know - get the rifle, never again. — fdrake
Yes. Zionists shouting racialised death threates while marching through a Palestinian dominant neighbourhood. Accompanied by the marching drums of incendiary bombs dropped on civilians in Gaza. — fdrake
It's just an endless cycle. — BitconnectCarlos
A great deal of this thread seems fairly described as conflict for the sake of conflict. That is, conflict engaged because we find conflict somehow psychologically satisfying. I'm wondering the degree to which this phenomena helps fuel the endless cycle in the Middle East. — Foghorn
. A minority on both sides may have become addicted to the conflict more for personal reasons than substantive ones. — Foghorn
Here's a question. To what degree is the Middle East conflict endless conflict cycle fueled by the very same psychological needs and motivations etc that have fueled this thread? — Foghorn
I'll admit that there has been that "conflict for the sake of conflict" element in this thread but I don't see my current discussion here with fdrake as falling under that banner. — BitconnectCarlos
I don't know if "psychologically satisfying" is the word I would use. — BitconnectCarlos
This sounds right, and I just want to add that people change when they're exposed to high levels of stress or trauma over longer time frames. One's environment does change people. — BitconnectCarlos
Repeated exposure to conflict and hate drags one down. — BitconnectCarlos
It take's an absolutely stunning degree of political maleducation — StreetlightX
Kindly go back to jacking each other off about how nice you all are toward apartheid regimes. — StreetlightX
Estimates of the total number of deaths in the Syrian Civil War, by opposition activist groups, vary between 494,438 and about 606,000 as of June 2021. On 23 April 2016, the United Nations and Arab League Envoy to Syria put out an estimate of 400,000 that had died in the war. — wikipedia.org
Imho, you're the sanest and most serious person in the thread. You got sucked in to the shit storm a bit here and there, but overall you kept your cool and stuck to reasoning. — Foghorn
which is to be expected from someone who does his utmost to change the subject form Israeli crimes. — StreetlightX
e would not be in this place because we would never refuse to recognize another group. — BitconnectCarlos
We wouldn't refuse to establish diplomatic relations with them.
Nor would we teach our children that they must avenge their history by any means necessary.
Jews have been kicked out of Judea several times.
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