• Wayfarer
    21
    I don't think he has broad electoral appeal, his approval ratings are pretty dreadful. And I think the Labor team looks tired and too familiar - they've been there a long time. For me, Mark Butler comes across well, Plibesek could be leader, but doesn't want to be. And they're copping friendly fire from Fitzgibbon.

    I think this year has reflected terribly on Morrison, but I still can't see him losing the next election. As you are saying, and for whatever reason, people will grumble about it, but there doesn't seem a real appetite for change.
  • Tom Storm
    10
    I agree. Scotty will probably get in again. Electoral apathy, the Murdoch press and Labor's lack of skill will do the job. Unless there is something new in the mix. Albo is pretty unexciting.
  • Banno
    27
    Then there is nothing for it; we must all join the Liberal Party. If they are going to stay in power, the only option is to change their policies.
  • Tom Storm
    10
    That's so crazy it might just work!
  • Banno
    27


    Have a listen to this interview:

    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/canberra-capers-with-laura-tingle/13432428

    Depressing stuff.

    The Liberal Party is a corrupt conservative party. Labour is ineffectual, and the Greens will not receive sufficient votes to form government.

    So joining the Liberals with the aim of dragging them to the left seems the only reasonable option.
  • Tom Storm
    10
    Disgraceful.

    Do you think Australians are especially apathetic when it comes to politics?
  • Banno
    27


    Low voter turnout was the nominal reason for the introduction of compulsory voting.
  • Tom Storm
    10
    As memory serves, Obama said if there was just one thing he would take from Australia it would be compulsory voting.
  • Wayfarer
    21
    We are also gobsmacked at the commentary pointing out that while the PM could make 55 phone-calls to world leaders to get Mathias Cormann elected as boss of the OECD, he couldn’t make a single one to the international boss of Pfizer to get more vaccines for us.

    :rage:

    SMH
  • Banno
    27
    He hasn't even got the marketing right this time. An ad that tells folk to be afraid while at the same time thy are unable to get vaccinated.

    This should blow up in his face.
  • Bradaction
    5
    Don't worry, Coal won't hurt you!

    Oh my god, I love Scotty so much! He's never done anything! I mean it, he hasn't actually done anything- positive at least.
  • Banno
    27
    Morrison and Coalition sink in Newspoll on the back of rollout shambles

    Morrison retains a solid lead over Albanese as better PM – 51-33%

    :roll:
  • StreetlightX
    58
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/19/former-nsw-labor-ministers-eddie-obeid-and-ian-macdonald-found-guilty-of-corruption-charges

    Some good news!:

    The former NSW Labor ministers Eddie Obeid and Ian Macdonald, and Obeid’s son Moses Obeid, have been found guilty of conspiracy to wilfully commit misconduct in public office over the allocation of coal licences in New South Wales in 2008. Obeid, 77, and his son Moses, 51, were accused of conspiring with Macdonald, 72, then the minister responsible for mineral resources, to grant a lucrative coal exploration licence over Obeid’s family farm, Cherrydale Park, in the Bylong Valley. Justice Elizabeth Fullerton, who presided over the case without a jury, heard from 38 witnesses in the year-long trial.

    Fullerton found that a conspiracy to ensure a mining licence was granted over Obeid’s property was proved beyond reasonable doubt. She found there was evidence that Moses Obeid had formed an agreement some time before May 2008 with Macdonald, and that Macdonald had then proceeded as minister for mineral resources to take steps to ensure that a mining exploration licence was granted covering Cherrydale Park. In what is likely to become the leading case on criminal conspiracy in NSW, Fullerton found that the conspiracy was proved because Macdonald had agreed “to do what he could in connection with the granting of a licence at Mt Penny and to further the economic interests of the Obeids”.

    Australians are cooowaaarddssss.
  • Janus
    35
    Then there is nothing for it; we must all join the Liberal Party. If they are going to stay in power, the only option is to change their policies.Banno
    Do you really believe change of policy in the Liberal party can come from the bottom and work it's way up, or that any individual can work their way up to gain power without becoming corrupted by the culture?
  • StreetlightX
    58


    God bloody dammit Jordies make a point that I totally missed and now I'm even more mad - we literally have a whole architecture in place to do vaccines for the flu shot every year which has been running for ages now, and instead of using that tried and true mechanism of public health this fucking government privatized the rollout. Not just in the sense of waiting for AZ or UQ to manufacture vaccines here - which they also did - but the actual logistics of rollout itself. FFFAAARRRrkrrrkkkkkkkkksdfsd this fuckinggg governmsdfgndasigdttshit.
  • Banno
    27
    A dissection of Liberal incompetence:

    We’re paying companies millions to roll out COVID vaccines. But we’re not getting enough bang for our buck

    The independent review of the pubic service completed in 2019 says:
    ...the APS is not performing at its best today and it is not ready for the big changes and challenges that Australia will face between now and 2030.
    This prior to Covid.

    The first rule of any project tis make sure you use people who have done the same thing before. Instead of making us of the existing pharmaceutical distribution chan, the Feds tried to build a new one from scratch. Because the Public Service has been reduced to bare bones, they were not up to the task even of providing oversight... a word who's meaning has changed in interesting ways over the last twenty years, along with the demise of effective leadership.

    Private contractors received $156m to vaccinate the most at-risk... that went well, didn't it.
  • frank
    10

    I think NY did that too, and it was a fiasco. My state used the county health departments with assistance from the National Guard, so mostly public, with some volunteers to help.

    Australia has a population and economy about the size of Texas, but it's scattered around the edges of a huge landmass. That's both a challenge and an advantage?
  • Banno
    27
    We already deal effectively with distance, so that's wasn't the issue. The Government is broken. The Liberal Party is a mismatch of conservatives and liberals proper - it is as if the one party tried to contain both Democrats and Republicans - it's only unifying feature is dogmatic worship of a fetishised notion of free enterprise, with the result that all decisions are based on ideology and not fact.
  • frank
    10
    it's only unifying feature is dogmatic worship of a fetishised notion of free enterprise,Banno

    Awarding contracts can be a good way to get things done. It can definitely backfire, but public operations can also fail spectacularly.

    Both methods are subject to corruption. There should be procedures for awarding contracts, like with sealed bids. Does Australia do that?
  • Banno
    27
    Both methods are subject to corruption.frank

    The states have independent bodies that can investigate public corruption in the civil service and amongst politicians. We need one at Federal level, but for some reason the incumbents don't see it as a priority...
  • frank
    10
    but for some reason the incumbents don't see it as a priority...Banno

    Because they're corrupt.
  • Banno
    27
    You might say that. I couldn't possibly comment.
  • frank
    10
    You might say that. I couldn't possibly comment.Banno

    Did you see the Netflix version of that? It was pretty good.
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