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Ukraine CrisisThe KGB of Belarus announced the prevention of strikes by drones from Lithuania on Minsk
— TASS · Apr 25, 2024
Belarus says it thwarted attack on capital by drones launched from Lithuania
— Emelia Sithole-Matarise · Reuters · Apr 25, 2024
This I don't find plausible. Fairly serious allegation. Doesn't really make much sense. (If anything at all, wouldn't they make a move on Kaliningrad?) -
Ukraine Crisis
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Ukraine CrisisAll hypothetical imperatives
— Peter Neumann · ZEIT ONLINE · Apr 23, 2024
The Chancellor spoke in Berlin on the 300th birthday of the philosopher Immanuel Kant. Olaf Scholz tried to counter the appropriation of Kant by Vladimir Putin. -
Climate Change (General Discussion)Wildfire season roars to life in parts of central B.C.
— Rhythm Reet · The Weather Network · Apr 21, 2024
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Ukraine CrisisArgentina asks to join NATO as President Milei seeks a more prominent role for his nation
— AP · Apr 18, 2024
Unexpected? (Maybe it can help with the Falkland debacle?)
Aid to Kiev to make US richer, Ukraine more bankrupt — Kremlin spokesman
— TASS · Apr 20, 2024
The decision to provide aid to Ukraine was anticipated and predictable. This will make the United States of America far richer but will ruin Ukraine further, making more Ukrainians killed because of the Kiev regime. — Peskov
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What Are You Watching Right Now?Godfather (1972) — Mikieexcellent movie — javi2541997Some day, and that day may never come, I will call upon you to do a service for me. — Don Corleone
(... what I try to imitate (poorly) when someone asks me a favor)
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Is there a limit to human knowledge?I don't think there is anyone being an expert in all fields that has/had subject matter experts; maybe that indicates limits of sorts?
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Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, believing literally ... a few 1000 years ago some people lived 900 years, there was a magical world flood some 1000s years ago, the supernatural Yahweh character spoke commands to the Moses character as a burning bush, Yahweh boomed to His tribe / Moses on Mount Sinai, Moses + 600000 wandered the desert for decades due to Yahweh's trickery ... really isn't smart. Myths, legends, stories, ... But of course anyone is free to believe whatever, that part isn't negotiable. Anyway, stuff for another thread (or not). (And what's with Yahweh being so selective (His special tribe etc) anyway?)
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Ukraine CrisisRepublicans denounce Russia propaganda within their own party:
https://www.aol.com/news/luxury-yachts-other-myths-republican-090000423.html — neomac
Yeah. Though I think it's been known for some time. (*cough* this thread has examples)
Then again, there's an elected official that believes planet Earth, and the universe, is a few thousand years old, incidentally a colleague of Vance mentioned in the article. Real life beats dramatized comedy.
Was just going over some analyses of seemingly influential dis/mal/misinformation campaigns, maybe I'll post something later. Will likely remain applicable for the foreseeable future. — Mar 8, 2024
↑ Tedious. Linvill, Warren and team has done some, as mentioned in the article. -
Ukraine Crisisand the fact that Ukraine is extremely corrupt (meaning people with power do bad things against the interests of the population) — boethius
Evidently, shedding the shackles of the dominating neighbor is no small task; they're trying though, and have shown willingness to reform in the middle of bombs exploding. The Kremlin wouldn't afford them much chance; some others apparently hardly would either.
is complete bullshit. Another ridiculous misrepresentation. — Mikie
Chomsky aside, this sort of thing sure is represented around here. :D
There were some rumors on the street that Russia is accruing much debt to China. Details are scarce, though. Anyone?
Drones + missiles one way, planes + missiles the other:
Exclusive: Iran sends Russia hundreds of ballistic missiles
— Parisa Hafezi, John Irish, Tom Balmforth, Jonathan Landay, Steve Holland, Phil Stewart, Daniel Flynn · Reuters · Feb 21, 2024
Russia Uses Iranian Drones In Intense Air Campaign Against Ukraine
— Iran International · Mar 30, 2024
Russian weapons help Iran harden defenses against Israeli airstrike
— Joby Warrick · The Washington Post · Apr 15, 2024
Russia's arms pact with Iran: Moscow pledges fighter jets and air defenses to Tehran including advanced missiles capable of shooting down US and Israeli stealth planes
— Will Potter · Daily Mail Online · Apr 16, 2024
And some weapons "rerouted":
U.S. Government Transfers Captured [Iranian] Weapons [to Ukraine]
— U.S. Central Command · Apr 9, 2024
So, anyway, the war seems to roughly have drawn up ...
▸ Russia, Belarus, North Korea, Iran, China
—versus—
▸ Ukraine, Europe, North America, South Korea, Australasia, Japan
... or something along those lines. So far at least. Much like certain someones' idea of a bipolar :smile: world. Whatever happens, might then see future changes accordingly. As of typing, North Korea seems a bit like a loose cannon or wildcard. Could they trigger something? -
Ukraine CrisisWhile checking
Undersea ‘hybrid warfare’ threatens security of 1bn, Nato commander warns
— Miranda Bryant · The Guardian · Apr 16, 2024
an old report came to mind
Russia targets Netherlands' North Sea infrastructure, says Dutch intelligence agency
— Anthony Deutsch, Bart Meijer, Hugh Lawson, Susan Fenton · Reuters · Feb 20, 2023 — Feb 20, 2023A Russian ship has been detected at an offshore wind farm in the North Sea as it tried to map out energy infrastructure, MIVD head General Jan Swillens said at a news conference. — Jan Swillens
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Ukraine CrisisCriticizing one's own society is all cool, and important, except when it tends to tunnel vision (or Kremlin-blindness, apropos).
Fault-finding in this area (politics social people history whatever) is easy, hence picking the right battles is also important.
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What Are You Watching Right Now?, haven't read the books; I'm told they're good. We've started watching the original Chinese TV version, "Three-Body". Like how it tickles the imagination, though my wife thinks it's a bit on the fantastical side. :nerd:
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Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, my impression was that just about everyone knew early on. Besides, didn't some of those drones more or less fly over Baghdad, some over Syria, some over Jordan? (Did some skirt over Saudi Arabia or close?) Fairly long flight. I imagine they were detected by various systems, but maybe I'm overestimating what's in the area.
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Ukraine CrisisWeakening Russia is in our strategic interest. — RogueAI
I'd say a Ukraine that's not Russia is in most but the Kremlin's interest, including, if not especially, Ukraine's. Been covered already.
but the CIA crafted a propaganda campaign both with Ukrainian intelligence and media as well as Western media and other governments. — boethius
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Ukraine Crisis, that's what I've been observing — tunnel vision, Kremlin-blinditude — that you write as if you
really don’t have a clue about what’s happening — Mikie
by reducing the war to your mantra, certainly not what the Kremlin is for, against, and about. Say, take the one bit you did mention in your response, maybe you could expand a bit on who's for and who's against instead, and to what end? (try, you can do it, clue in about it, references abound :grin:) And the other bits, there are a few after all?
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Ukraine Crisisa good pretext for fighting a proxy war it wanted all along — MikieUkrainian people being caught up in this proxy war — MikieIt’s a proxy war between the US and Russia — MikieIt is a proxy war between the US and Russia — Mikiethis proxy war — Mikie
That's it? What the Ukrainians wanted has nothing to do with it? Irredentism and Putinian Russification have nothing to do with it? Democracy versus (regressive, proliferative) authoritarianism has nothing to do with it? Fears aired (repeatedly) by the Baltics, Moldova, the UN, whoever, are irrelevant? Regularly issuing threats to, and railing against, two or three or so largely democratic continents, while cozying up with North Korea, China, Iran, is irrelevant? Concessions, appeasement, setting precedence for others to make note of, is of no consequence? Ultimately confirming the Kremlin's rhetoric·shamming·stories·propaganda·aggression·whatever, in appearance and action, is of no consequence? Land grab? ...?
Well, that's a remarkable (and regrettable) example of tunnel vision — incidentally, the sort of thing readily conducive to bias. :D
Putin mocks planned Ukraine conference and says Russia won’t accept any enforced peace plans
— AP · Apr 11, 2024
Maybe cold war music like Allman is an earworm of Putin's. :)
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Ukraine CrisisThis can be intrepeted many ways, but I think the new entities refers to the Oblasts annexed. — ssu
That would be my guess, though based in part on the words being used: Reuters · Dec 13, 2022
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Ukraine CrisisRussian ambassador sees no return to previous format of cooperation with Finland
— TASS · Apr 6, 2024
Everything here will depend not so much on Helsinki, which has largely lost its independence in making decisions on foreign policy, but rather on the general policy course being pursued by Washington and Brussels toward Russia. — Kuznetsov
Seems to me that "lost its independence in [...]" is a wee bit exaggerated, albeit part of the story-telling. Say, Finland's border thing came from the Finns, not Washington/US or Brussels/EU. The Finns can likewise choose and decide other defense-related things themselves. Besides, Finland is free to leave NATO, though not free to not have Putin's Russia as a neighbor.
Kuznetsov blamed senior Finnish politicians for almost completely dismantling cooperation with Russia. — TASS
Right, the Finns and the Kremlin, not the US or the EU. Is "almost completely dismantling" (again) exaggerated?
there will be no return to the previous format of cooperation now that Finland has joined the aggressive military bloc [of NATO] — Kuznetsov
... seems like the Kremlin dismantling? Speaking of "aggressive", leaving Ukraine be, would go a long way to solving the Kremlin's grievances, it's kind of the central thing here, without which Finland and Sweden likely wouldn't have sought NATO membership.
As regards the situation around Ukraine, Finland has clearly joined `the party of war against Russia until they win’ here. Of course, we cannot but respond to potential decisions by the Finnish government in this sphere. Specific steps will be developed depending on real threats that these actions will pose to our security. The Finns cannot but realize that such a major provocation will not be left without a Russian response. — Kuznetsov
Going by actions·statements·rhetoric·regress·posturing·Russification and whatever efforts (of which some have heard enough), the Kremlin is the larger threat compared to NATO, at the moment, by a long shot. Had NATO demanded (or even suggested) that Finland prepare to invade/attack Russia, then I doubt the Finns would have been so keen on seeking membership, though they might have sought other strong alliances, which the Kremlin could label "aggressive" "major provocation" just the same.
can all defense be narrated as offense, can all defensive measures be cast as threats? — Apr 8, 2024
Going by prior NATO nuclear weaponry placements, I wouldn't really expect much in Finland. Belarus, bordering Latvia·Lithuania·Poland·Ukraine·Russia, on the other hand, has reportedly received nuclear weaponry from Russia. Then there's Russia's own placements (and posturing).
Surely you must understand the Kremlin has legitimate concerns about NATO troops in its historical sphere of influence?
Albania: Hardly
Bulgaria: Hardly
Czechia: Hardly
Estonia: Hardly
(East) Germany: Hardly
Hungary: Hardly ?
Latvia: Hardly
Lithuania: Hardly
Poland: Hardly
Romania: Hardly
Slovakia: Hardly ?
Moldova: Help
Ukraine: Help
Finland: Hey
Sweden: Hey
Anyway, not much new here. The Kremlin has visions; too bad for the Ukrainians that they got in the way of that. -
Ukraine CrisisHere are some military numbers plotted out, three graphs are about NATO, two global/general.
An overall rough trend was down-slope until about 2014, then up.
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US Election 2024 (All general discussion)I normally expect world leaders to be reasonably reliable. Not perfect or anything, but reasonably reliable, fairly measured, engendering some minimum trust in what they say, at least giving some reasons to respect as a representative. Some measure of decency and bona fide utilization of smarts accordingly can also help. Whereas old Joe isn't the best, there's a baseline that the Clown doesn't meet. Anyway, that's just my vague inconsequential opinion.
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The American Gun Control DebateIt was touch and go there for a while but Cletus made it home from the fast food restaurant alive. He’ll bring more weapons the next time. — Steven Leser · Apr 9, 2024
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Ukraine Crisis, the Kremlin deciding to lay ☢ waste to Finland (or Ukraine) would be bad for Russia/ns. The Kremlin would have to harbor madness of sorts to go down that path, and there weren't even any threats of invading Russia, despite their cries about a "dire existential threat".
If standing up to them is "the abyss" (as in "not to be done"), then think about what you've forfeit. ssu mentioned deterrence having gone out the window, and it goes further than so, as history indeed tells us.
People can figure such stuff out on their own, without somehow having been tricked by the US.
By the way, I don't think the Kremlin needs an invitation in particular, they're quite capable of coming up with their own.
(As an aside, while sympathetic to pacifism, there's more to it. If a nefarious aggressor (warmonger) invades, and a third demands capitulation ("peacemongers"), and the rest demands to fight back ("warmongers"), then the "peacemongers" still stand to benefit in case the warmonger is repelled. That's fine by me (personally) I suppose, but might not be considered so in general.) -
US Election 2024 (All general discussion)How do these people get elected for office?
God is sending America strong signs to tell us to repent.
Earthquakes and eclipses and many more things to come.
I pray that our country listens. :pray: — Marjorie Taylor Greene · Apr 5, 2024
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Ukraine CrisisA brief timeline of events:
2010 Jan 17 · Ukrainian presidential election 2010 Feb 7 · election runoff (Yanukovych, Tymoshenko) 2013 Nov 21 · Euromaidan starts 2014 Feb 18 · Revolution of Dignity starts 2014 Feb 22 · Euromaidan ends 2014 Feb 23 · Revolution of Dignity ends; organized unrest in Donbas starts 2014 Feb 27 ⚔ Russian troops ("little green men") start seizing Crimea 2014 Mar 18 · Russia annexes Crimea 2014 Mar 31 · Kharkiv Pact annulled by the Kremlin 2014 Apr 6 ⚔ insurgents seize government buildings in Donbas 2014 Apr 12 ⚔ Donbas war starts; platoon under Girkin (Surkov) seizes Sloviansk 2014 May 2 · organized unrest in Donbas settles down 2014 May 25 · Ukrainian presidential election (Poroshenko) 2019 Mar 31 · Ukrainian presidential election 2019 Apr 21 · election runoff (Zelenskyy, Poroshenko) 2021 Jan 1 ⚔ ongoing scattered insurgent attacks in eastern Ukraine 2021 Nov 10 · the US reports Russian military buildup near Ukrainian border 2022 Jan 17 · increasing Russian troops in Belarus; increased separatist strife in eastern Ukraine 2022 Jan 25 · Russian military exercises in Crimea and southern Russia near Ukraine 2022 Feb 10 · Russo-Belarusian military exercises start 2022 Feb 20 · Russo-Belarusian military exercises end 2022 Feb 22 ⚔ Russian "peacekeeping" troops enter Ukraine 2022 Feb 24 ⚔ Russia invades northern, eastern, southern Ukraine 2022 Sep 30 · Russia annexes Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia 2024 Jan 1 · Russia occupies roughly a fifth of Ukraine
In retrospect, what might have been different from early on?
Some factors ...
- the Kremlin likely planned for a while, multipronged too
- democracies tend to act slowly/hesitantly, autocrats are less bound
- the Kremlin takes initiatives (attacks), others react (less proactive measures)
- divide and rule strategies have worked, and can work, well for the Kremlin
- international peacekeepers in Ukraine didn't seem appropriate/feasible
- early unrest had appearance of mere/internal domestic conflict
- tiptoeing around Russia
- Kremlin-anxiety (not the Moldovan kind here, but) nuclear in particular
- an effective (internationally implemented) Ukrainian no-fly zone would risk direct confrontation with Russia
- China has likely been supplying the Kremlin with intelligence including satellite, reliable intelligence matters all around
- western countries have already been accused of neo-colonialism/imperialism, meddling, war-mongering, you-name-it
- Russia has occasionally been promoted as all-but "invincible", though Russia was never itself threatened with invasion here
- can all defense be narrated as offense, can all defensive measures be cast as threats?
(It's worth noting that more or less all implemented measures have been met with criticism.)
▸ Crimea apparently took everyone by surprise. Hardly a fire was shot err hardly a shot was fired. In response, international supporters might have helped Ukraine with resources to counter the takeover (no secure Russia-Crimea land-bridge at the time). The Black Sea Fleet could have faced noticeable risk.
▸ The early insurgency might have seen international peacekeepers or more international involvement. Sufficient attention (and international presence), perhaps including mediation, could potentially have affected the course of events.
▸ In response to military buildup, international supporters might have quickly helped Ukraine with substantial defensive resources. Sufficient preparations·measures could have made a difference, including to the later grain and Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant situations.
▸ International military exercises (presumably not under a NATO umbrella) in Ukraine might have deterred the Kremlin from escalating aggression. NATO exercises in the neighborhood have been held with little response from the Kremlin.
▸ Perhaps more comprehensive upfront analysis·coverage·awareness of Kremlin and other story-telling from early on could have affected discussions·debates·back-and-forths·dis/agreements·re/actions etc. Ukrainian sovereignty, sentiments among non-NATO'ers (Moldova, Austria, Georgia, Ukraine, etc), NATO'ers to-be (Finland, Sweden), NATO'ers (Poland, the Baltics, Germany, etc) and NATO'ers no-longer-to-be (none as of typing), and other relevant topics could be included.
▸ Sustained, but specific, international propaganda·attention·exposé on Putin (say, at least after being named TIME Person of the Year in 2007), including directed at China, might have had some effect. Kremlin efforts (and their effects) have been seen.
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Ukraine Crisis, double down insisting on teaching select parts of US history? :grin:
(2023Mar21, 2023Dec17 - no sainthood there, but no matter)
Resume the analysis/sub-thread?
Is it then your assertion that the Kremlin had no (reason to) care about this (E+D) and implications — it was no concern of theirs? — Apr 4, 2024
Since you appear to only have eyes on the US here — other things being "regrettable" :grin: — was E+D then thought :up: / :down: by the US, would/did they act on/against that? (I suppose, in general, it can differ among US administrations)
Actually, what would or did whatever different parties do with that, with what they wanted, and why? (though it can vary/change, especially in democracies)
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Ukraine CrisisFYI, some election-related events (tass)(rferl)(csmonitor)(bbc)(politico)(nytimes)(bbc)(wired) around the Euromaidan / Dignity Revolution commotion (2013 Nov — 2014 Feb), in chronological order (though durations vary):
2014 Apr 11 · Russian authorities (Chaika) pass materials regarding Yarosh to Interpol
2014 Apr 12 · a full platoon under Girkin (Surkov) seizes Sloviansk in early Donbas war
2014 May 22 · CyberBerkut attacks and disables Ukrainian election system
2014 May 23 · Ukrainian election system restored
2014 May 25 · Ukrainian presidential election
2014 May 25 · Malware removed from election system that would have rendered Yarosh winner (37%) over Poroshenko (29%)
2014 May 25 · Russian Channel One declares Yarosh winner (37%)
2014 May 26 · CyberBerkut attacks Ukrainian election infrastructure, disrupting tally collections
2014 May 29 · Poroshenko wins Ukrainian presidential election (55%)
2014 Jul 25 · Interpol issues wanted notice for Yarosh at request of Russian authorities
2016 Jan 2 · Yarosh apparently no longer on Interpol's wanted list
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Ukraine Crisis, so, using the thread to air other grievances? I suppose that could explain the Kremlin-blindness here. (Say, how to differentiate from an anti-US campaign? No matter.) You might fire up a fresh opening post to express them, perhaps what to do. (check this :smile:)
:grin:
... and part of the war and factors into decision-making.
Resume the analysis/sub-thread?
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Ukraine CrisisThe problem with these people is that they've fallen hook, line and sinker for a story of American exceptionalism.
They view Russia through a lens of unending cynicism (and I would argue that is reasonably appropriate), but fail to realise America functions in exactly the same way. — Tzeentch
Well, that's kind of odd, since you've repeatedly railed on just about the evil US, with
(and I would argue that is reasonably appropriate) — Tzeentch
being a rare exception. :D Countless comments have been repeated about others than invader and defender, shooting blame from the hip, presenting plain speculation as plain fact, finger-pointing, positing mala fides, what-have-you. (Actually, wasn't "Everyone bad" established long ago?)
I guess you (and certain others) leave it to others to pick up the slack, or the thread could go monotone, perhaps as far as going pro-Kremlin circle or indistinguishable therefrom.
But, hey, let's for a moment run with your "the same" then, and differentiate by other means:
Looking at other Russian neighbors, who want to see Ukraine become like another Belarus? :down: Another Baltics? :up: (What about where to raise kids?) Pick your poison? — Apr 2, 2024- Oct 4, 2023 map — Irredentism versus sovereignty
- Who/what honored / got behind what UA wanted, which was reasonable, more/less than others?
- Democracy versus authoritarianism (including proliferation)
- Trajectories: development (or trying) versus regress
- Comparisons
Maybe I'll call failure to recognize such like ↑ "Kremlin-blindness". Unless they're too obvious to mention?
Resuming the analysis (sub-thread):
Is it then your assertion that the Kremlin had no (reason to) care about this (E+D) and implications — it was no concern of theirs? — Apr 4, 2024 -
Ukraine Crisis, that's not what Dignity (or Euromaidan for that matter) was about, though it was about looking west (democratic EU) rather than north (Putin's Russia, Yanukovych), oligarchs, government corruption + power abuse, repressive laws, police brutality, human rights violations (← mentioned a few times); they didn't protest about UA's right to seek NATO membership. Is it then your assertion that the Kremlin had no (reason to) care about this (E+D) and implications — it was no concern of theirs?
, keeping it real: you've presented your Nord Stream hypothesis as plain fact, when it is plain speculation. -
Ukraine Crisis, so, back to the inquiry, what the heck was the Kremlin to do with that, with what UA wanted?
(↑ still part of the analysis)
, some cherry-picked suggestive single phrases by Rice (2014), Nuland (Jan 2022), Biden (Feb 2022), since denied by the way, to go with Sy + Rose...? And therefore the US + Norway sabotaged Nord Stream...? Nah, credulous/sought, doesn't make the cut. Pareidolic. With a bit of luck, German investigators find something though, perhaps something to substantiate your hypothesis.
Like A Glove: Nord Stream Pipeline Sabotage and American Foreign Policy
— Luis Tomas Orozco · The Yale Review Of International Studies · Apr 19, 2023
at any rate, this is just speculation.
Peripherally related:
New west-east route keeps Europe hooked on Russian gas
— America Hernandez, Marwa Rashad, Pietro Lombardi, Nerijus Adomaitis, Kate Abnett, Christoph Steitz, Vera Eckert, Julia Payne, Francesca Landini, Nora Buli, Andrius Sytas, Angeliki Koutanto, Sergio Goncalves, Dmitry Zhdannikov, Barbara Lewis · Reuters · Apr 3, 2024 -
Ukraine Crisis, I'm guessing most on the thread know about this point of yours, since you've repeated it a few times.
My inquiry was a different one, though.
You departed therefrom again once having mentioned the Vietnamese — a comment I took to mean that what UA wanted was real enough, as opposed to a US plot (I suppose we might have enquired into both possibilities, but no matter).
So, implications of what they wanted, what to do with that (by the Kremlin)?
(↑ part of the analysis)
On the Nord Stream thing, Sy + Rose = your (sole) source...? :brow:
Earlier on, the Swedish (+ Danish) investigators handed their material over to the German investigators, who have yet to release any findings; going by memory, further investigation fell within German jurisdiction/purview.
Also, going by memory again, some Asian ship apparently damaged something on the sea floor around the same time, perhaps by accident.
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Ukraine Crisis, I guess you think that what they wanted was genuine (in lack of a better word), as opposed to instigated by the US? That's consistent with their efforts to join the EU anyway; they're trying, apparently against the tide of the Kremlin's efforts.
Some developments so far: — Mar 8, 2024The election was recognized as free and fair.(4) — 2019 Ukrainian presidential election (Wikipedia)- Accession of Ukraine to the European Union » Candidacy (Wikipedia)
OK, if we run with that (genuine), then we might ask about implications, including/especially for the Kremlin, or in the eyes of the Kremlin, and they don't look favorable according to their aspirations.
When freedom and sovereignty themselves are perceived as threats then we get results like what we're seeing (word, infra, civil, grab). Too bad for Ukraine, eh? — Mar 11, 2024
By and large fairly straightforward.
Looking at other Russian neighbors, who want to see Ukraine become like another Belarus? :down: Another Baltics? :up: (What about where to raise kids?) Pick your poison? The Ukrainians chose a path. Putin makes a point about Russians + Ukrainians, then, instead of setting up programs to foster relations, he sets out to bomb them into compliance.
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Ukraine Crisis, maybe, but you responded to something else. Here :point:
↪Tzeentch, what UA wanted was [really] a US plot [instead]? — Apr 1, 2024
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US Election 2024 (All general discussion)Is the US ready...?
Pro-PRC DRAGONBRIDGE Influence Campaign Leverages New TTPs to Aggressively Target U.S. Interests, Including Midterm Elections
— Mandiant · Oct 26, 2022
Pro-CCP ‘Spamouflage’ network pivoting to focus on US Presidential Election
— Elise Thomas · ISD · Feb 15, 2024
Much Ado About ‘Somethings’
— Max Lesser, Ari Ben Am, Margot Fulde-Hardy, Saman Nazari, Paul J Malcomb · FDD · Mar 27, 2024
How effective are these campaigns anyway? When I encounter these stories (or effects thereof), it's almost always from US MAGA'ers. -
Ukraine CrisisI guess that's a way to have others do their bidding ...
Czechia busts Russian propaganda network targeting European elections
— Martin Fornusek · The Kyiv Independent (Deník N, Der Spiegel, Le Monde) · Apr 1, 2024
Seems serious enough; we'll see what comes of it, if anything. Those folk should have taken the €$, told security everything, donated €$/2 to the homeless — live life on the edge. ;)
, what UA wanted was a US plot?
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