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In Support of Western Supremacy, Nationalism, and Imperialism.I find myself disagreeing with a fair part of the opening post, but, anyway...
1. How do you impose democracy upon a people by force? — Srap Tasmaner
You ask everyone what they prefer, without others knowing what they said, granting everyone an equal say.
Those are some basics at least; not what I'd normally call an imposition.
If most said "I want Stalin to do as he please", then they may not get a second chance at this, thereby surrendering the principle.
There's lots more associated with democracy, but those are some basics anyway. -
In praise of anarchy:
run with the anarchist idea, see where it goes. — Nov 3, 2024
Show implications/consequences. (Footwork missing. It's everyone's lives.)
Also, you'd have to prove that removing the justice system of any (transparent) democratic majority, i.e. no justice system, increases justice. (Universal statements like "all politicians / people in charge bad" also need proof.) -
Climate change denialHere is my updated animation of monthly temperature anomalies, January, 1940 - October, 2024 (Eliot Jacobson · Nov 3, 2024)
Global Mean Surface Temperature Anomaly: 1881 - 2024 · 12-Month Moving Average (Eliot Jacobson · Nov 3, 2024)
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In praise of anarchyIn a world of many, the true anarchist/individualist remains outnumbered.
Will it be by organized thugs, or a (transparent) democratic majority where all have a say?
There's no such thing as a perfect social system; the more individuals, the more unhappy about something or other, that's just history, statistics, and (only part-time rational) homo sapiens.
Genuine anarchy inherently remains as unstable as one against two, tending away therefrom, like the one anarchist being overcome/outdone by many cooperators.
Running with the least bad is rational enough, regardless of some personal sacrifices.
By and large, reasonably civilized societies tend to be democracies, but run with the anarchist idea, see where it goes.
, you'll have to weigh whatever personal grievances against this stuff. -
US Election 2024 (All general discussion):up: An odd kind of blindness or tunnel vision or something
The Ukrainian situation might have started in some (out of sight) way between 1991 and 2009.
Certain people wouldn't accept a wholly independent Ukraine. That independence itself meant that Crimea wasn't for the Kremlin to control, and their empowering influence over Ukraine would diminish. Loss. "Must regain."
The sentiment might be older, but sometime after the cold war it apparently came into focus, became important to a number of (let's say) "concerned citizens", important enough to solidify the collision course of which we're seeing the results.
Operatives deployed, people friendly/susceptible to "the cause" rallied + more hired, "little green men" sent, Ukrainian "red lines" crossed, takeover, invasion, bombing, grab, all the while utilizing that suppress-rinse-revise machine (including domestically). Hostilities (+ elsewhere).
As far as I can tell anyway, the "root cause" was that seemingly inevitable collision set in motion by a number of "entitled", influential people asserting ownership, and rejecting a friendlier course, or democratic course for that matter. The Ukrainians (and most of the world) said "No".
Might be worth noting that the Kremlin's course of action hasn't resolved (maybe can't resolve) their supposed fear of NATO. To keep NATO at bay, are they going to make Donbas a minefield with anti-missile installations or something?
↑ there's plenty more evidence to this story (which is what it is) — coherent, plausible, straightforward enough -
Where is AI heading?
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US Election 2024 (All general discussion)Voters Warned Ballots Flushed Down Toilet Will No Longer Be Counted (— The Onion · Oct 17, 2024 · 1m:40s)
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Where is AI heading?AI’s bridges between human knowledge and endless solutions
— University of Pittsburgh via nature.com · Sep 25, 2024 -
US Election 2024 (All general discussion)Don't know if it means much ...
National Security Leaders for America Endorses Kamala Harris for President of the United States (Sep 22, 2024) -
Atheism about a necessary being entails a contradiction, the four links say about the same but worded differently (Banno's might be the most concise), the first line in my comment just gives a brief summary while expressing the non-ampliativity.
Some typical responses ...
"But God is the creator of any of the possible worlds", which departs from modal logic (and commits petitio principii anyway).
"But it's not logical necessity, it's metaphysical necessity", which roughly does the same by introducing a sufficiently vague/vacant phrase to head off to wherever (just about anywhere), whereas the logic is what we use to reason/deduce things.
A possible world is a self-consistent entirety; possible worlds, W, maintain standard logic.
• possibly p (holds for some consistent world): ◊p ⇔ ∃w∈W p
• necessarily p (holds for all consistent worlds): □p ⇔ ∀w∈W p
To round up the common subjunctive modalities, contingent and impossible can be set out from those.
... and possible aren't the same; the latter is fairly concise above.intelligible — Hallucinogen
(As an aside, whatever "eternal" means, atemporal mind is incoherent (2022Nov11, 2024Sep22), atemporal living is nonsense.)
Oddly enough perhaps, "God is necessary" turns out to be a definition of "God", it's not an observation or a deduction, so "God" is now at the mercy of the definition if you will. (Also note, we're no longer talking down-to-Earth modalities like "water is necessary for the rain", "toddlers have to drink regularly", ...) -
Atheism about a necessary being entails a contradiction, the only necessity in modal logic is logic itself.
• Banno (Jul 5, 2021)
• Banno (Jul 7, 2021)
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Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)Simon & Garfunkel's famous song "Confounds the Science" (3m:8s) :)
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=996659732502260
https://www.instagram.com/jonathanblankfilms/reel/DA6N-T1o8L4/
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Ukraine CrisisIs it worth noting that no one has threatened North Korea, Iran, China with nuclear strikes or other attacks due to supplying Russia?
Doing so at present seems about as odd (or irresponsible perhaps) as Russia dishing out threats to Ukraine's supporters.
Periodically up'ing one's own stakes — or appearance of stakes — seems like a transparent strategy.
If the Kremlin is willing to start a nuclear war over a quarter of Ukraine, then we (the world, including Russians) already have a serious problem on our hands.
Then again, maybe things will change in one way or another.
Just about all nuclear posturing lately has come out of the Kremlin circle and North Korea. (2023Oct20, 2024Feb7) — Feb 29, 2024
Well, I guess ...
there's the North Korean wildcard. — Jul 15, 2024 -
CoronavirusThe 1665/6 history of Eyam (Derbyshire Dales, UK) is kind of inspiring.
Their actions during the Plague likely saved a large number of lives.
Eyam » 1665 plague outbreak
Eyam Village in the Peak District » Plague
Idiotic mask-refusers of today could learn a thing or two, but they likely won't. -
US Election 2024 (All general discussion)Hmm...
I was supposed to feel outraged when Trump said “grab them by the pussy” decades ago. — NOS4A2Gotta' wonder what happened in the 12 years after. Anything serious? — Oct 2, 2024 -
Ukraine CrisisYou keep saying that the west is content to see Ukraine lose. And although you keep stretching the evidence far beyond what it actually supports, there is an element of truth in this. The west faces no existential risk over the outcome of the Ukraine war and so it's determination to support Ukraine remains limited. — Echarmion
Right.
Yet, the Kremlin circle getting their way like so strengthens their ways for Putin's regressive Russia, strengthens their (aggressive) power, impunity, propaganda/rhetoric. Heck, Putin might be revered as a hero by some, perhaps enough to make a difference.
He was right! — some might then proclaim
Others are taking notes. It would be a victory of sorts for posturing, opacity, suppression, regression, anti-democracy, kratocracy, authoritarianism, and proliferation thereof.
Ukraine's supporters might as well be deemed impotent (or cowards). After all, combined, Ukraine's supporters have markedly more resources than Putin's Russia.
He stood up to them all and showed them!
Democracy, freedom, human rights, respect for law, whatever, would take some further hits, as would Ukraine's efforts.
It's the choice of a down-slope that our children's children would have to deal with; we already have historical parallels to learn from. (Not much new here; unlike @boethius, I wouldn't say that "the West" doesn't care.) -
US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen!
By rumors on the street, guy slaps girlfriend in public (she slaps too, they say).
12 years later, it hits the news like a supposed :fire: bomb. :D
Might'a taken some efforts to dig that one up.
Gotta' wonder what happened in the 12 years after. Anything serious? -
Is evil something God dislikes?go down a road whereby suffering for humans is warranted. This is deemed as good — schopenhauer1
Right, the unknown greater good defense.
Suppose that the unknown greater good was the reason that Anya Martinez died from cancer at the age of 10 in 2018, after years of suffering.
A question is then what business people have interfering. Such an appeal to the unknown can equally mean that the efforts of doctors and medical researchers are wrong, the will of men against said greater good.
It's not entirely inconceivable... Jehovah's Witnesses and blood transfusions, Deuteronomy 1:31-36, Proverbs 3:5-6, Luke 8:50, Titus 3:6-8, ...
In 2013, Alex Radita died at the age of 15 due to complications from diabetes, weighing about 17kg. His parents intentionally left it to God; they were charged with severe neglect.
Can we say they were wrong? Well, some can and some can't.
By the assumption — an unknown greater good created/known by such a deity — Martinez' and Radita's predicaments were good. The assumption can mean that non-interference is good just the same. -
Site Rules Amendment Regarding ChatGPT and SourcingYou attribute intent to LLMs. — Banno
It's common to use words like "understands" about trained LLMs, too.
I can understand why that's used, but maybe better words are needed.
"Can-process-but-not-really-understand"?
"Appears-to-understand-but-doesn't-grasp"? -
Site Rules Amendment Regarding ChatGPT and SourcingI've come across groups where it has become almost like a sport to use generative AI tools to disprove biological evolution.
They tend to present the generated text in the style of scientific papers, except published on their own sites.
Some were caught having unrelated and fictional authors generated by the tool. :D
Didn't deter them though.
Not the kind of thing I would want here on the forums. -
Ukraine CrisisAFFIDAVIT IN SUPPORT OF SEIZURE WARRANT (case 24-mj-1395)
— U.S. Department of Justice · Sep 4, 2024
U.S. Seizes 32 Pro-Russian Propaganda Domains in Major Disinformation Crackdown
— Ravie Lakshmanan · The Hacker News · Sep 5, 2024
The Lies Russia Tells Itself
— Thomas Rid · Foreign Affairs · Sep 30, 2024
Living behind the new curtain is subject to heavier measures.
Арендатор шахт ЛНР начнет экспорт угля через Мариуполь (en)
— RBC · Sep 30, 2024
Land — wheat homes¹²³ art coal — grab.
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Is evil something God dislikes?However, one would be unable to hate in the presence of love. Holes, shadows, illnesses. I find it a compelling metaphor, at the very least. — Wayfarer
Maybe. Where it goes askew, though, is when casting it all in terms of good alone. (Or hate alone.)
[...] God is expected to be something like a perfect hotel manager [...] — Wayfarer
Isn't the sum of good bad neutral prosperity hardship humdrum indifference ... and everything in between, what you might expect without an omni* overseer? -
Is evil something God dislikes?[...] Augustine's 'evil as a privation of the good'. To put it another way, evil has the kind of existence that holes, fractures, shadows and illness has. — Wayfarer
I find it artificial, though it is kind of...neat.
Absence of love isn't hate, absence of hate isn't love. -
Climate change denialBritain’s last coal-fired electricity plant is closing. It ends 142 years of coal power in the UK
— Jill Lawless · AP · Sep 30, 2024
UK to shut last coal-fired power plant | WION Climate Tracker
— WION · Sep 19, 2024 · 3m:56s
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57 Symptoms in Need of a CureWell, there may not be a cure for homo sapiens, for the likes of Geoengineering Watch (they have flyers in multiple languages too). :)
Smug, arrogant crap. Makes me want to vote for Trump just to piss you off. — T Clark
Hey don't be like that. Makes me want to piss you off as well. ;) Anyway, what about the truth of the matter? Isn't that more important than pissing each other off? -
Ukraine CrisisPower, legacy, influence? Maybe.
Russia-Ukraine War: Putin's Quest To Revive USSR? The Real Story Behind Russia's Expansion
— Jessica Goel, Akash Verma, Abhishek Vadav · India Today · Sep 27, 2024 · 3m:52s
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Was intelligence in the universe pre-existing?, I suggest using different words since "God" is taken. Or the Platonia-type thing could be dropped.
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Was intelligence in the universe pre-existing?, mindless intelligence-free doesn't go well with the common use of the word "God". :shrug:
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Was intelligence in the universe pre-existing?, with no minds "outside of time", can we speak of intelligence "outside of time"?
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Why should we worry about misinformation?
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Why should we worry about misinformation?The truth does not require your participation in order to exist. Bullshit does! — Terence McKenna
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Why should we worry about misinformation?, what's taken to be true is important in decision-making. Pollution doesn't help.
Think you can get on without? Can deduce it all from something else? Exclusively trust yourself? — Sep 22, 2024
So we worry about the believers in misinformation. — NOS4A2
I'd say worry about both, dis/mal/misinformation being wrong in the first place.
"Ye shan't believe dis/mal/misinformation" won't work, whether edged into lawbooks or not. :D
Sure, you might argue whichever way I suppose. Extremes for the occasion: people should be entirely free to spread dis/mal/misinformation; people spreading dis/mal/misinformation should be guillotined.
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Was intelligence in the universe pre-existing?, you skirted the characterizations (older + above), but, no matter, by acknowledging that mind is temporal we're on the same page.
"eternal" in classical theism means "outside of time" — Metaphysician Undercover
Returning to intelligently intelligent intelligence intelligencing ...
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Why should we worry about misinformation?If I read the phrase “the earth is flat” one-hundred times, and after I’m done tell you the earth is in fact not flat, will that suffice as a demonstration? — NOS4A2
That's just a counter-example to a universal statement like "all speech acts are taken to be true by everyone".
Similarly, "no utterings are taken seriously by anyone" is also false.
Rather, as has been argued a few times, some talk is believed by some. It's common, daily.
I'd take it to be true if you claimed to be a globe-Earth'er (though your personal belief isn't all that consequential in this context). -
Why should we worry about misinformation?Claiming to not care about dis/mal/mis/information is kind of silly.
Think you can get on without? Can deduce it all from something else? Exclusively trust yourself?
There are whatever varieties and degrees; we might assess some by intent and consequences when taken seriously.
So, we strike a balance of sorts between freedom and disincentive. -
Was intelligence in the universe pre-existing?, I'm thinking no — as the common abstract or grammar rule, though not in intuitionism. Then again, is there any excluded middle in absence of any talk to apply it to? (Identity, instead, is presupposed by meaning; maybe identity is where ontology and logic meet.)
, the point was that mind is temporal/process-like, come and go, occurs, is interruptible, has a more clear temporal demarcation than spatial, ... Where does intelligence fit in? -
Was intelligence in the universe pre-existing?, to give an account of time you have to account for when (simultaneity) and how long (duration) alike: Nov 11, 2022 (way old comment)
• Say, my supper is spatial/object-like, locatable, movable, breakable, my experiences thereof occur, are interruptible ⁽¹⁾⁽²⁾, temporal/process-like. Say, stomachs are spatial/object-like, left to right, front to back, and digestion (say, starting with chewing and salivating) occurs, comes and goes, temporal/process-like.
• Rocks and bodies are spatial/object-like: left to right, top to bottom, front to back, movable, locatable, breakable (under conservation ⁽³⁾), ... Eddies/currents and minds/experiences are temporal/process-like: come and go, occur, interruptible ⁽⁴⁾⁽⁵⁾ (interaction/event-causation), ...
Mind isn't in atemporal's vocabulary. If you're talking atemporal, then you're not talking sentience; if you're talking sentience, then you're not talking atemporal. Isn't intelligence something that mind can do (or possess, be capable of)?
jorndoe
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