Hi there, Royal Bank of Scotland. Well this is what matters in this life isn't it? Not a dull topic at all. Can we call it sexual attraction? — unenlightened

Now that's how you get someone's attraction. :)

Can we call it sexual attraction? — unenlightened

I don't know if it was all about that, but you maybe right. Maybe it is after all that one thing that matters and is sex. I know now a days kids are like monkeys and jumps from one branch to the next and not thinking of the long term consequences and the scars that were left by the tree branches. But anyways I think you have raised an interesting question here.

But not all friendship can bear the weight of marital commitment. — Vera Mont

This is very true. One can argue that friendship with no attachment or attraction can be pure or others might not agree as marriage can be a blessing, so anything being blessed can be pure, but again this can be refuted.

No, he was probably wise. It would have been far more damaging if they married. — Vera Mont

I think the main breakup point for them was this that they couldn't commit to all the pain that comes with the marriage. Just like below where unenlightened said.

There is a delicate balance of friendship and hard work that goes in to a long term relationship, that ideally will keep the flame of passion alight in the long term. R_E_S_P_E_C_T goes along way, as the song has it. — unenlightened

This is very interesting to read:

They are often usually not even aware of those differences. — T Clark

So meaning that we should only look for likeminded folks in our lives?

The observer was wrong. Romantic attraction is neither of these. You feel it right away -- you may not be aware of what's happening, but it's never "friendship" that you feel.
Yes, I know. This is an unpopular view. — L'éléphant

Not unpopular at all. We all have different prescriptions for our lenses of prescriptive. So again friendship cannot led to romantic love, or at least that's what my understanding is. If it's love then it should be told at first? If the intentions are laid out front maybe there is a better alignment for expectations? Understanding can be different than of from a friend.

Ask each of them. They'll tell you the truth. — L'éléphant

I haven't asked the girl yet, but I know my friend from a very long time and he is not a player. Not that I know of his bedtime stories but yet again in the past 15 years or so, he has been truthful about almost everything. Now we all do have secrets and we should but in general view I think this guy was in Love. Maybe that faded away as we all discussed above on the way of getting from being in love to a longer commitment in life.

I don't know if I am quite following up with what you said here, maybe pushing yourself harder to please others will make you to become like a shapeshifter to become each and every single time the image that others have in mind of you for you rather you being a reflection of what you want to be or are in reality.

I think humans have the potential to live together with and be good to each other. But sometimes, i don't know maybe we forget the mindset of us not being here forever in this world. If we have that in mind then i would say that we can be happy with what we have and share what we think is more than what we need.

A good discussion from all in above notes. Thanks for your effort and time in educating this idiot :)

Warmest regards,
Until next post.

If good acts are done for show and reputation, the 'good' is no longer the motivation. — Tom Storm

This is spot on, but don't you think that it's show is for the purpose of others to be motivated?

Good question, but an altogether different problem. There are numerous cases where large numbers of people have failed to understand the good they should do, and the bad they should avoid. — Bitter Crank

Agree, lately this is getting a bigger and bigger issue. However, I don’t understand if humans are trying hard to un-educate themselves with all the education they have or there is nothing that can be done to the human race at all. Despite of all the good we read, see and talk about, why it’s getting hard to act upon them.

Quote above says to be good person and rest will be good. But that can only apply if that person lives in a good environment and have good around him/her, else to me it seems that a good apple will not last long in bad ones.

Purpose in sense of being sensible or being merely a waste of the choice itself?

So what are we getting here, is the question about abortion and supporting it or being funded by those who doesn’t support it? am a bit lost?

To me one of the definition of humanity itself is stability. I think the achievement is difficult due to not following the proper definition. I think there is a front and back to what humans say and what we actually do. I think we are all not being honest to ourselves. If we cannot be nice to ourselves then how come we can be to others.

You are getting to a good explanation here of why the needs of writing is there. Agree on certain events being out of our control, but if it's something related to humans and what we have done or created then i think that is a different topic, and to me only humans are to blamed for that.

It is just the way it is for human "being." — Nikolas

So you think human beings are not created equally or they are but they have altered themselves to not be?

what we ARE and why everything is as it is — Nikolas

This is exactly what i am after. I don't know if we have still figured that out. Or maybe we have but don't acknowledge it because it will contradict of what have we become. Or merely we think there is a need of a separation between the creation. Maybe layers of societies in shape of steps to achieve the height of survival for others.

Nevertheless, this reflects how the human nature is selfish by nature. — javi2541997

This is very true. There is the strong desire of everything for oneself. If it's a good deed or a bad one or money or fame and all. I think to us sharing is the most difficult task even if it's labeled as caring. I think we can do much better when we come to our right mind and senses which is of a human nature.

Do you think the working class theory can be accepted if all and everyone is created in the same aspect in compare to the rest of the humans. Don't you think that the system of equality will work if someone is holding more than others, in terms of knowledge, mind and hardships that he has faced in his life span?

I sometimes tell myself that we all say the truth and tell others to do so, what if the truth is not the truth. What if we are all running away from the truth and created alternative truths. What if we are all living in a dream world where it's so real that we have lost the touch of reality. What if we have totally forgotten our existence and trying to reinvent it with what we think should be?

Very interesting and valuable notes here. So and if the definition of survival is clear which to most of us it is i guess, and we do have the wisdom to do so, then how come we cannot define the way to continue the survival in a way that is beneficial to all of us. Many reasons and or so perspective's can be stated here, but don't you think if we take each and everyone of them, it will lead back to it's origin which is again product of a human being.

The key is patience of course but don't you think it's somewhat one sided? Also waiting and other aspects that you mentioned. Don't you think we all understand it very clearly?

I am more interested to see how people think and general thoughts are somewhat agreeable to all of us about the environment, social and economical aspects and that so many attempted the need of an Utopian kind of city that matches the concept of Heaven and eternal happiness and so on or maybe i am totally wrong. But what if Human's are being born for a different purpose and that is totally forgotten?

Well if education and knowledge meant for betterment which is, then I guess it's not doing it's job right. Or perhaps again coming to the first question, maybe we are out of line to everything and like you said we are in a disagreement to almost everything. Now if perfection is the achievement of every human being then how come the definition of perfection is so vague, vast and unclear, of course perfection in sense of humanity.

The human is humble by nature — javi2541997

I can agree with Karl on this one.

society corrupt him — javi2541997

I think that society is a product of human beings so if we agree to the first quote of Karl then how come the society can be different. Where did we go wrong. What was the starting point of humans to get this much in trouble where if they were created with a humble nature.

We live today in a sense of selfishness feeding the leviathan of Thomas Hobbes or the society of Marx. — javi2541997

This is exactly what i am after. How come there is a big difference in same humble nature.

True, free will topic is a different one and not going to touch on it, but my reference to free will was more of an evolving process form the childhood where to many of them it's fixed of becoming a human that is actually matching the definition of humanity, kind, nice and so on. Obviously it changes later on as life goes by, which leads to

Now about the causes, that is also a different case, but my reference to them is that if a cause is affecting the humans, and they can be as named above, aren't they being built by us humans? I am debating if causes are good or bad but pointing to it's origin.

True about human nature, but don't you think that we are all somewhat built in same nature? Do you think we all have a choice in becoming something different. Don't all kids want to grow to be good. I agree that different causes affects differently our growth and behavior, but don't you that those causes and affects are also the creation of humans?

True, I guess we all live differently, financially, socially, environmentally and everything else that affects the way we live, but again the question is we all have the knowledge, mind, brain and understanding then why cannot we follow some simple way of life and guidelines.

A formula not for perfection but rather for being a normal human being as it is required by it's nature and definition and understanding.

I guess the way we live, we behave and we try to survive? Being a human in nature and in action. Being good to others and to themselves? maybe?

You are NOT and will be NOT IGNORED. :) I like some of your ideas :)

On a serious note, that's your problem of having a limited mindset and ideology. But as long as someone is talking over my views I have the right to defend them. But why are you so angry. Where did I have ever dismissed your opinion. I just don't agree with some of them.

up until you get bozos like RBS over there who think the freedom of expressing emotion and being irrationally controlled by emotions are the same things. — NKBJ

Since you mentioned me and you dont have the courage to talk directly then am responding back to what you said about me. Again you made a judgment which is based on your knowledge of the topic.

Now, there will be a time that you will understand this for sure that feminism is a good cause but bringing everything into that cause from a woman's perspective is not right and cannot be justified all right.

Note: Don’t worry, just having some fun. I assume you didn’t mean what I extracted for comic effect ;) — I like sushi

Lol, now if I say all of them doesn't mean those who are angry and yelling all the time but those who are decent and I think most of them are nice and honest and are great to be in conversation with.

First of all, my comment was deleted so that I will call sexiest. What women want with equality and all that is all OK, but what they want on the top of that is not OK.

Firstly, you apply there is some trait which applies to all women, such that you are free to assume and conclude it about any individual you encounter. You have a narrative insisting women will have these weaknesses without taking into account the fact of whether it is true or an individual. — TheWillowOfDarkness

It is hard to meet everyone and each of the women on the planet and just FYI studies cannot be done by the entire population of women but in general and that’s how a study is done. So, if a study is missing your perspective of the definition of the feminism then you are absolutely entitled to put your perspective forward.

Secondly, you got an implicit value judgment about what having a trait means. In instances where women do have a certain emotional trait, you've taken it to be a weakness which affects her value and trustworthiness, when if fact the emotional trait may either be just irrelevant (she does what she's meant to well anyway) or even a strength (for the task she's doing, the emotional trait provides a benefit). — TheWillowOfDarkness

Again, those emotional traits can affect the decision and perspectives in certain conditions given at a certain call that they have to make.

Thirdly, as others have pointed out, you take implications from studies which are not there. You haven't even substantiated women have this trait of weakness you're describing. — TheWillowOfDarkness

If you can provide a report of BBC stating that men have more suicides than women than my studies are more valuable than those who sell news for money.

Fourth, you use this supposed weakness as a bludgeon to disregard the input of women. The way you've positioned women implies this supposed weakness makes their input irrelevant or untrustworthy. You seem to suppose, not-women (and I assume you) have some kind of upperhand in commenting on what is true or engaging in reasoning. — TheWillowOfDarkness

There is nothing like that I have done in my notes. Perhaps you have to read again and again. There is nothing that I called irrelevant and untrustworthy.

This is the problem with the intellect and true understanding. You put to much pressure on your brains to find meanings for things that are not there at all.

It is love and respect and will be there forever, these assertions that you have done here based on my notes will not change my perspective for a woman as I do understand that people are different. So, your idea is again your idea and my idea is mine.

I understand that to human many things seems infinite but wouldn't be arguable of deconstruction as not one of them. One's understanding doesn't alter the true meaning of that word.

First, deconstruction is impossible because it is never-ending; — philosophy

Yes future cannot be predicted, but in constructing something we can predict its future. For example I put brick on a brick and so on and the future of it will be a wall. Now what happens to that wall in different time and date that is a different stories. But we shouldn't be mixing the unknown future with the known one.

I tried googling it and that source isn't giving me anything of relevance. — NKBJ

https://lafetedubienetre.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/brodyhall2008.pdf

I think it's generally understood that men aren't socialized to deal with their emotions in healthy ways, hence higher rates of suicide and physical aggression. Women tend to know and utilize healthy coping mechanisms much more than men. — NKBJ

I would argue not true, the idea of higher rate of suicides are not because of emotions. There are 100s of other reasons of why people or as you say men commit suicide and can be an interesting topic to discuss but wouldn't suggesting it mixing it up with the topic on feminism.

Excuse me? What "emotional limits" should we women be aware of? — NKBJ

Brody, L. R., & Hall, J. A. (2008). Gender and emotion in context. Handbook of emotions (pp. 395-408).

First of all, just to clarify my view, is that I love women and have deepest respect for all of them. They are a beautiful creation of God on earth and should be respected the most in a society. However, and unfortunately some will not get that idea in their mind no matter what you do and that's a sad truth that we have to live with it, but hopefully one day all will respect all.

In today's society whatever questions arises are either due to the unanswered nature of those questions or simply that those questions were answered but the responses were not clear to some or may need more clarifications. We do have to understand the limit and scope of the word feminism and in which context it is being presented which is now very wide and political. We as human beings are equal and that should be accepted by all no matter of the gender and no matter of the race or religion. Now once we clear that then there is the social, cultural, religious and finally the physical requirements of each and every gender. That being said, women are as much free as men in the world and they should do whatever they want but physical and emotionally there will be limit to their capabilities.

To me the idea of feminism is a problem of the whole world and not only one society or culture or religion. However, there are things that the notion of feminism will not be accepted as equally as in the west as in other cultures or religions.

If we are allowed to put this idea in the context of the universe as a whole and why we are here and what should we do, and what happens after death, so here is what my thoughts are.

First of all, the fight between nothing, something and more is always there and will be there forever. Something is better than nothing but more is better than something. The more we struggle with this notion and idea, the more we will lose the touch with reality and of what is actually required and what is extra. Of course we cannot quantify extra as the thought of future is fixed in our minds, but if we have the thought of me being able to live in the future as i am now, then there you go problem is solved. For those who have studied religion will understand that God has promised you a life and you will get it till your time is not up. Meaning that you will have something while you are here in this world. Now once you have that ideology then to me you can work and live happily. Now God has not said that you shouldn't work hard and earn more of course its good but how much more???

To me we all of us should always think out loud and quantify our own lives in a way that is acceptable to us and not to others. If we try to justify our lives with someone that is way up there and higher with the percentage that you presented here then in no way we can be satisfied with our lives. It is one of the reasons that we are struggling with our lives. We cannot settle and it can be simple as that. To me this justification should always be done with someone who have less than you, that way you can teach your own desires that you actually have more. As we all know that a rich will need more and a poor will need to get something but once he has something then he will ask for more. With this teaching you can live happily and you can also help others on your way.

We also cannot quantify nothing. Even after death there is life and that will require something. Now what are those, can be good deeds, good service for the community, good children so they can help others and so on...If we set a purpose for our lives on this world then to me the burden of thoughts can be lesser than those who are living on daily bases. Yes we all need money and etc., to live and be alive but more than that we should understand of why should we live.

Apparently not good in finding abbreviation, as not good in philosophy ,,,, wondering what else can you be good at??? anyways....moving forward..... :)

:) :) :) :)

:) dude why would you do that to poor S....

Oh, it is you, the one with great views...... :) me and you had a great exchange of views, I thought we were not going to comment on each other's posts?????

To get out of the political context of the question as many have been running around it here, it is immoral to do things that harms you as a being that can distinguish good from bad and those around you, period.

As we look around, usage of such substances is not out of two contexts, prescribed for a purpose and not prescribed which are for recreational purposes.

To me whatever drugs that we use are all for only one purpose and that is "not to be ourselves or normal". Now being normal is easy to explain and you can all picture it. But those who use it are in a sense not normal, even if they use it for recreational purposes. I would understand the pain of a sick person who is suffering to help them to ease the pain and that pain which is not normal can be cured for a while with such drugs...but those who are not sick and then they use it, to me they are much sicker than the ones that they are in hospitals or get them through a prescription for a legit reason.....

The ones who use it for recreational purposes, have lost the sense of humanity and something precious and that thy think that with such substances they will be able to get them back.....In reality all those who use alcohol even if its one drink have the same consequences as any other drugs. They are all chemicals and we use chemicals to ease the pain which is not there at all.... We as human beings have no pain unless we are injured or something really bad is happening inside us. Whatever else that we are in pain from is our own past and future which is not there at all in the first place. If we could have managed to let those two go then we wouldn't be talking about drugs or to use it not use it at all....

Imagine a clock travelling at almost the speed of light zooming past one of those super slowmo cameras. — Devans99

Well thats one way to put it but yet again it is breakable to much smaller particles than that. It is extremely hard to stick to the idea of present because our mind is deluded with the idea of past and future which are not there at all and therefore we are missing the present itself...

So time exists, is real IMO — Devans99

Yes it does and agree. For the sake of Philosophy or furthering an understanding we cannot disregard what is already proven and are the truth....

Time cannot be changed or altered in any way or form... Yes our perceptions can have different view of the time in different state of mind and place but no matter what we do, we cannot go back or go in the future.

Wonder how far we could take this. How slow could time be made to run for a human injected with a large dose of designer hormones? — Devans99

Present is there but the limit of its existence is unknown. Some would argue the moment you are breathing others will say the moment when you blink or things like that, but all those are a way of measuring it and the moment a thought goes in your mind is past. Now is so small in length that to me it cannot be measured or understood with the human's limited capability...

In today’s world we, I mean the entire human race are confused as hell with the information system. Information is not knowledge and knowing. It is useful for survival. Science is experiential in nature not informative. Humans belief that If you have not experience something then it’s a story to us or which is not true and that’s how we have perceived and deceived ourselves so far. There are things that we will never and ever be experienced but that doesn’t mean that they do not exist. Why am I sure about this, because we are seeing it for ourselves with the latest discovery of black hole….

There are locks and keys in the universe. Some probably given to the humans already and some probably will be discovered, but that doesn’t mean that they were not there in first place. A key is rather a dimension and is a dimensional possibility and us human beings simply have accepted it as information. A key is not accumulation and most of us have mistaken the accumulation of information as knowing.

To me the BB Theory is flawed by several reasons, but will put a few here:

BB Theory stands on no beginning and is called an incident. Then how can an incident happen if something was not there to exist in first place. If it was existed from eternity with no beginning cannot be an incident.

Secondly, as the BB theory is standing on the concept of eternity with no beginning then they are not paying attention to the fundamentals of a thing being eternal which must exists from beginning and that both falls in inconsistency with one and other.

Why do we easily believe in the creation of something is because for us human beings it is easy to accept the notion of something that is being created rather than that thing being there from beginning? The human mind goes blind when we talk of an infinite beginning as we cannot grasp the idea fully and our brain cannot process that function.

What do you think of Big Bang, do you believe it was or is a possibility or is or was absolutely necessary?

I am certain that he is timeless — Devans99

Very True,

in that a timeless God would be able to see all time in one go — Devans99

This is the core idea ...

Coming to this part.....

One of the central problems is that any sort of time implies an infinite regress which is impossible — Devans99

Like i mentioned earlier, by what we understand by time and space is very limited, we are and will be shown to us the vastness of the universe as we are advancing with our lives and we will all be shown how it comes to an end, now who will be alive or death that we don't know....

To some it can be climate change and to some other things, but no matter what we do as God's has promised us after life then in that sense all will come to an end......Regarding the finite and infinite part of the time it is unknown to us, and for us those who believes in God, should acknowledge that there is life after death, therefore we are still not sure on how that time will be calculated, but am sure that it will be different....

hence my thoughts have been turning to a non-material God — Devans99

Strongly agree...

If we trace back to Adam and his creation in heaven, that was well before what we call it time. That was a time in a different plan and dimension. There are planets that maybe are in different shape, size and possibly different pattern of circulation or we dont know, anything is possible and possibly there the inhabitants might have different way of measuring the time....

In short there are things that us humans will not grasp at all no matter what we do, such as life after death and so on....These things are hidden for the soul purpose of understanding so that us as humans should acknowledge the existence of Supreme being of God and that there are things that are not in our control and that we are weak as a leaf on a tree and have the knowledge of a new born child when it comes to understanding the universe.

Edited, my intention was not bounding God to a time or space. God has created time and space and is not bound to anything at all. With my meaning the Great Time or Pure Time is God’s explanation of time to us and how he measures his creation which is “Time”… To God a day is very much different than a day that we count. God's words are an explanation to the human on how the world is created. He could have created the entire universe in a split second but to explain the vastness of the universe to his creation.

And are you presentist or eternalist? — Devans99

I am the second...

To further explain the idea, God is not bound by time, tense or any other elements of that sort. He is the creator of all, but when it comes to explanation, he has used different definitions to make it understandable for our limited sight and understandings.
He has revealed his greatness and the truth to us in our words and understanding. Simply because our knowledge cannot grasp the true power and yet he will show us with science and technology. In God's scripture examples of time has been given by a number like “thousands” but that number is not representing the exact number rather a multiplication factor or to show the greatness of something. To us a thousand mean a thousand but when God puts it in his words that doesn't mean the exact one thousand but meaning times that and probably time and times that again or simply to put it "many".

Now coming to your question...

I am not clear though on what you think the length of now is? — Devans99

What is now, can be defined differently by all of us, depending on our knowledge and understanding but the true value for "Now" is yet to be identified by all of us. From my perspective the humans have so far been able to see the particles called Peron which makes Quarks.... for now I think the “Present” or "Now" is of that duration in size, but in reality probably it can be even and much more smaller than that......

Is it space or time that makes us real? — Devans99

Will try to put this in the simplest words possible. After searching for a while and readings, I came to the understanding that time and space both exists. Space is measured by time therefore human can sense its existence but if you try to sense its own existence then you will come to the understanding that there is nothing...

To further explain this,,,, the specialty of time is that it passes by no matter what. If you do or don’t do anything at all and if you are happy or sad and if you are working or just resting,,,, so in every condition it passes by. In other words, it is absolute just and no matter who, where, how you are it passes by. But the only thing that a human can experience is the intensively of time. If you were young, energetic, and in rush then the time will fly by and if you are slow and old then time will be running slowly. So one's rushed life cycle can be equal to other's slow and dull life cycle but happening in the same time...

In reality these moments are not experienced at all and time is passing and happening to all of us in the same space and cycles. Whatever that you are measuring, years, minutes and or seconds. And as we all know that anything that is cyclical is naturally repetitive and that they all will have a centrifuge. The human mind cannot escape from the gravity of time, if you did then that’s when they called it spirituality. But who is actually spiritually enlightened, I would argue very few? All of us are trapped within these cycles, however with some knowledge that humans have therefore some of us are riding the time, some of us are trapped and some of us are crashed. If you are riding the time, then you are enjoying your time and If you are caught up by these cycles then you are material and if you are crushed then you are suffering and none of us are out of these 3 conditions at a single second and you cannot be all in one time as there is one time and one condition will apply.

Time is also refereed and is called darkness. Where darkness is defined as something that cannot stop the light and what cannot stop the light is called empty space. Therefore, space and time can be both called as darkness. For us human beings there is only time as we can measure it, but there is space and that we know of it because there is time. From A to B is dependent on time, if there was no time then there was no movement. There is time which happens because of cycles, the planet spins and there is the day and night, the moon cycles and there is the month, and then the planet goes around there is the year.

The cycle of time is a dimension of time and then there is the great time. Now many will argue that how can a time within time exist. In God’s scripts the whole universe is created in 6 days. The length of each of that day can be either equal to 1000, or a million year of our time or more and that will depend on how we can prove to ourselves based on the current ecological and scientific findings and of the age of this world. Now of course God is not bound by time or space but merely an explanation to the human on how the world is created. He could have created the entire universe in a split second but to explain the vastness of the universe to his creation. Even though where there are no cycles there is time, but where there is no cyclical movement there is no physical happening. Whatever you see in the planet from atomic to cosmic, everything is cyclical.

Therefore, we can only see the time due to the physical reality of our surroundings. What is the speed of electron around its core and we know of that now, but if we measured time by that speed then would be too much for us. What is the speed of light? If we are going to measure our lives by that then would be something else, but despite all these there is our time and there is the greater time. Human beings will always agree on principles that are understandable to the majority. For example how much time it takes for our planet to cycle around the sun and how much time for the moon to cycle around the planet and so on and thus due to agreement we have now minutes and seconds and hours and so on…

But in reality, all of them are cycles of the physical existence. If there is no physical existence we won’t understand if anything is cyclical or not. If we didn’t know the cyclical movement, we wouldn’t understand the cyclical nature of time, but before the very existence of anything, there was still time and that is called the great time.

both empiricism and reason are mere tools to serve the individual. — Not Steve

Agree

I believe subjects are not changed but are the same and will remain the same.
In every culture or region "Free Will" is defined differently but that doesn't mean that they have different meaning, yes different interpretation and definitions.....To me a good philosopher should not look for the differences but rather stand on the similarities to reach to understanding....

Before educating someone the idea of universality should be taught. If that is the case then we won't be facing the problems that we are now.

See this is the problem, with your arguments nothing stands out, they are just words in an order, to you they may seem great, but to an "emotional" person like me they don't mean anything.

How do you define emotions when there is a clear question, if people were depending on Encyclopedias then why would they question anything at all.....???

Ask someone? am asking you? if you are running away from the question then say so??? Morality doesn't mean that you can defend a statement by referring to someone else??? or does it?? maybe they have described it wrong in the SEP....

Anyways, got my answer and no need to respond,,,Thanks..a bunch...

Thank yoo...Will miss you too....lots of love to you...