Lol cry more fuck Trump.

No doubt you'll have their back.

I will as soon as soon as Americans do.

Perhaps. I'd punch a Nazi or two with some relish.

The Nazi regime was not on the whole composed of mass murderers. Just normal people happy to let things happen.

Yeah I took into account the alledged number of people put off by Trump's post-election antics. I dunno, Americans on the whole are shit so maybe the number even went up, who knows.

At this point it's pretty much anyone who continues to support Trump. So maybe about 50 million or so Americans, give or take, generously.

I would make the point though - despite all these lovely Parler screengrabs, a great deal of the riots were organized on platforms like Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit. Parler just so happens to have been the convenient scapegoat - a worthy, good one - so that all these companies can secure their monopolies.

Cool! It's more 'pop' than alot of her other work, and pretty breezy to get through.

As predicted, the Democrats will squander this great opportunity to pass meaningful law while they control both houses and the presidency. Instead, they will spend the first critical months with impeachment proceedings only to watch their efforts unravel in the Senate. And if they are actually successful in the Senate and Trump is told he can never again hold public office, the only one helped by that will be the Republicans. — Hanover

:up:

Exactly the trash the video I posted debunks.

Interestingly the video states that no advanced country has achieved low poverty rates without high levels of government spending. Government spending is the result of taxation. — Brett

Wait - you think taxation is capitalist?

And conversely, you think "globalism" isn't capitalist?

since the Republican line seems to be that Trump should not be impeached, not because he did nothing wrong, but because "bringing the country together" somehow involves supporting the nutter who divided the country with astonishing efficiency — Kenosha Kid

They still fear Trump's base, even if Trump himself is a political dead man walking. The lesson: the end of Trump is not the end of Trumpism.

Feel free to watch the linked video.

It's hard to take seriously claims that capitalism 'is incredibly efficient' as anything more than mythmaking on the order of Aztec Gods and magical witch-doctors: one only needs to look at the black hole growth of finance in the 21st century, sucking up capital into the hands of a tiny cabal of state-supported lottery winners to explode that myth in all its thin, hot air. As for the idea that capitalism has 'lifted an incredible amount of people out of poverty' - no, people have been lifted out of poverty in spite of capitalism, not because of it:

Because none of those things can be shown to reasonably expect as a consequence a violent coup in the Capitol. It's not about causality -- the 25th amendment option has been rejected. It's about criminal culpability. In order to pin the coup on him, they're obliged to demonstrate that he intended a coup. He probably didn't. He did intend a frenzy, an outrage, a hysterical mob, but there's no masterplan for an occupation of the Senate in what he did or said. — Kenosha Kid

Most of the republican congress also can't accede to these kinds of arguments least they incriminate themselves. It's in their every interest to dump this mess on Trump's lap - but not have the case looked at too closely. They were slavish, willing instigators no less than Trump.

That sounds far better than debating if, say, Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization or if political correctness is Orwell's worst nightmare or some other crap. — Maw

Yeah dunno why he's threatening us with a good time.

One more before bedtime:

Sure. If Congress are going to pass any kind of sinister bill — Kenosha Kid

Humph. My working assumption is that any bill passed under a Biden administration will be a sinister bill unless proven otherwise. I think it will have a higher hit ratio than the other way around.

What does Jim Sensenbrenner have to do with it? — Kenosha Kid

Joe Biden, friend.

Either way, seems a bit hysterical to bemoan the loss of civil liberties of some future bill being looked into regarding domestic terrorism. If and when someone tries to introduce security legislation that actually impacts civil liberties, the question of whether the majority prefer the liberty or the security ought to be had then. — Kenosha Kid

Have you met the US Government? Or its intelligence apparatus, for that matter?

Hell, with Snowden we found out that it doesn't even need laws to breach your civil liberties.

Edit: one more point - let's not forget that with the billions spent on security since 9/11, a bunch of larping nitwits with no plan and minimal organization were able to literally sit on the speakers' chair; these laws, when not functioning as security theatre designed to inconvenience working people, will inevitably be selectively used to destroy any and all activism that the state disagrees with. People need more room for sedition, not less. What needs changing is the cause.

From the person who wrote the Patriot act, yes.

You just assume that they will use events as a pretext to remove civil liberties and and attack their opponents — ssu

"Socialism is when corporations are free to make decisions due to market pressures that personally affect me negatively". These gonks tried to cancel an election result and they'll whine interminably about cancel culture.

https://www.theroot.com/surprise-surprise-off-duty-cops-from-all-over-the-cou-1846029959

"The growing number of probes follows an announcement from the Seattle Police Department on Friday that two of its officers have been put on administrative leave pending an investigation into allegations that they were in the nation’s capital during the raucous events.

The New York Times reports that cops from Texas, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire are now under similar scrutiny after social media posts placed them near the riots that took place in the nation’s Capitol."

Why didn't the cops stop them? Because 'them' were cops.

Oh you know it is. I'm just here to encourage people to treat you like the opportunistic sack of shit that you are. Propagandists do not get discussions.

Yeah I know, he gets the NOS exemption because you're a cynical unprincipled piece of shit.

Says the fuckstick whose daddy spluttered out tirades about 'fake news' from the biggest pulpit on Earth for four years. Fuck off.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were a fucking illiterate as well, you shitcock.

This war against such canards as “fake news”, “misinformation — NOS4A2

This bullshit was peddled and popularized by the only person you come in here to run your fucking mouth in support of, so you can fuck right off, you piss-drinking hypocrite.

The only thing I'm sad about is that they put this moronic lackey on a no-fly list but not a far more powerful enabler like Hawley or Cruz.

This is happening in Hong Kong, right now, as we speak:

Trump and the right are perfectly at liberty to create services with different terms. — Wayfarer

Except they're quite literally not, as the effective shut down of Parler shows quite distinctly.

Just to be clear - this is less a 'right' vs. 'left' problem than a corporate monopolists verses everyone else problem. The former is a cover for the latter.

This modern problem of giving every Tom, Dick, and Harry access to mass media via Twitter, Facebook and the like is something that must now be grappled with — Hanover

Yeah, but what exactly is the shape of that problem? I remember not too long ago people celebrating Twitter's role in fomenting revolutions in Middle East and North Africa (the term even has it's own wiki page: Twitter Revolutions), and anyone following say, Hong Kong, understands that social media has been indispensable for protest organization. I get that it's a cause de jour right now because of the toxicity of what's happened and has been happening (and what has happened, by the way? Effectively a non-event), but as soon as you zoom out, a change in circumstance will have us bemoaning just such limits. The guns are trained on the right right now - but they will not stay that way. In fact, this is a moment of exception, not the normal run of things - so-called left-wing social media accounts have for years been targets of erasure and deletion, and have been very much part of the current 'purge'.

The US is on the cusp of reinstituting a 'normalized' neoliberal regime deeply friendly with - if not entirely run by - silicon valley and wall street, and alot of people are going to need a great deal of alot more sedition.

Trump was is a horrible individual, but encouraging the institutionalization of an unaccountable system of silencing - which, it just so happens, has taken out one of its market competitors to further ensure market monopolization - is, I think, a far deeper, far more structural change that will not be clawed back from easily. These people had the chance to shut Trump down long ago - there's nothing at all principled about this from their end. We cannot expect anything principled from them any further down the track. Handing the keys to the public space of discourse - which is what social media is, whether we like it or not - to corporate whims is not a light price to pay for risks and even harms of letting these people speak.

I think this articulates really well what I feel about the Trump Twitter ban - minus the coup language:

And you did make up bullshit numbers which you pulled out your ass.

Those celebrating the censorship of the right - the mass shut-down of social media accounts and the restricted access to to entire social media platforms like Parler - need to be very, very, careful what they wish for. The dopamine hit of schadenfreude has been good fun and it's enjoyment was well worth it (that stupid fucking person who got trampled to death while flying a 'don't t tread on me flag???), but not only is this censorship unaccountable - undertaken by tech companies who operate not on principle but on pure commercial interest - it's also already paving the way for a new domestic 'war on terror' with all the dismantling of (more) civil liberties that is entailed. You can't go from calling for the defunding of the police to wishing for more and better police, which is exactly what this incident is being used to promote - by the same piece of shit, it's well worth recalling, who wrote the patriot act - Joe Biden.

Cait Johnstone:

Google has ratcheted things up even further by removing Parler from its app store, and Apple will likely soon follow. This push to marginalize even the already fringey social media sites is making the libertarian/shitlib argument of "If you don't like censorship just go to another platform" look pretty ridiculous. This is all happening just in time for the Biden administration, about which critics had already been voicing grave concerns regarding the future of internet censorship.

The censorship of a political faction at the hands of a few liberal Silicon Valley billionaires will do the exact opposite of eliminating right-wing paranoia and conspiracy theories, and everyone knows it. You're not trying to make things better, you're trying to make them worse. You're not trying to restore peace and order, you're trying to force a confrontation so your political enemies can be crushed. You're accelerationist.... Supporting the censorship of online speech is to support the authority of monopolistic tech oligarchs to exert more and more global control over human communication. Regardless of your attitude toward whoever happens to be getting deplatformed today, supporting this is suicidal.

Glenn Greenwald:

The complete reversal in mentality from just a few months ago is dizzying. Those who spent the summer demanding the police be defunded are furious that the police response at the Capitol was insufficiently robust, violent and aggressive. Those who urged the abolition of prisons are demanding Trump supporters be imprisoned for years. Those who, under the banner of “anti-fascism,” demanded the firing of a top New York Times editor for publishing an op-ed by Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) advocating the deployment of the U.S. military to quell riots — a view deemed not just wrong but unspeakable in decent society — are today furious that the National Guard was not deployed at the Capitol to quash pro-Trump supporters. Antifa advocates are working to expose the names of Capitol protesters to empower the FBI to arrest them on terrorism charges.

...There is a huge difference between, on the one hand, thousands of people shooting their way into the Capitol after a long-planned, coordinated plot with the goal of seizing permanent power, and, on the other, an impulsive and grievance-driven crowd more or less waltzing into the Capitol as the result of strength in numbers and then leaving a few hours later. That the only person shot was a protester killed by an armed agent of the state by itself makes clear how irresponsible these terms are. There are more adjectives besides “fascist treason” and “harmless protest,” enormous space between those two poles. One need not be forced to choose between the two.

..But as was true of the Cold War and the War on Terror and so many other crisis-spurred reactions, the other side of the ledger — the draconian state powers clearly being planned and urged and prepared in the name of stopping them — carries its own extremely formidable dangers. Refusing to consider those dangers for fear of standing accused of downplaying the threat is the most common tactic authoritarian advocates of state power use. Less than twenty-four hours after the Capitol breach, one sees this tactic being wielded with great flamboyance and potency, and it is sure to continue long after January 20.

Don't let your political convictions sway with whatever change in the wind there is.