Sure. How would you set these out in first order logic?

I wouldn't. They're false, so there's no need for me to do such a thing.

Then why bother raising the topic.

They're logical possibilities. You believe in Kripkean modal logic. So, they exist.

Can you give me an example of another dimension of time other than the past or the future? — JuanZu

For example, we could add super or subconscious time, and imaginative time into the dimensions making it truly multi dimensional views of time. Super or subconscious time could mean time as captured by super or subconscious states which could be totally separate temporality such as the invocated time when we noticed in the meditation or reasoning to unite with divine beings.

Imaginative time could be time which might have existed during the active imagination in the creative process. If you were to write poetry or novel, you could jump into the imaginary time frame when all the historical, present and imaginary future figures co-exist in the same imaginary time span living, working and socialising creating together.

If uniting with divine beings and creating abstract arts are also events taking place, which require time, then the concept of extra dimensional layers of time would give you more room for the practice in real world.

Of course these are just some impromptu hypothetical examples as you requested. Time doesn't exist implies, it doesn't exist in real being, but it exists in many different abstract forms.

For example, we could add super or subconscious and imaginative time time — Corvus

OK. But do any of those times have a direct relation to the present that you and I live in? I mean, of the explanatory kind and with truths that actually can be discovered?

But do any of those times have a direct relation to the present that you and I live in? I mean, of the explanatory kind and with truths that can be discovered? — JuanZu

All of them must happen at present. Without present, no other time can exist in any forms. But once you are in the other dimension of time, the dimension of time you are in becomes present replacing the real present. The real present then are eliminated from the dimension until you return to it. In some cases, it may never return you to the real present, which could be a bit scary state to be in then. Some folks live in the alternative time believing it is the real time. They must have super rich imagination, meditation or hypnotic tendency to be able to do that, suppose. This is, of course unproven hypothesis, which could be ignored. :)

Do they have a direct relation to the present you live in? If you were a relativist and extreme idealist, it could have, I suppose. If you are a realist and empiricist, it may not. If you were an esoteric magician or abstract artist, then it could definitely be very meaning way to conceptualise the multidimensional time for the process of invocation, evocation rituals, prayers, sermons and creating the arts viz. novels and poetry.

All of them must happen at present — Corvus

So we are still in the three dimensions of time. You haven't actually added any. You have added worlds but not dimensions of time, right?

So we are still in the three dimensions of time. You haven't actually added any. You have added worlds but not dimensions of time, right? — JuanZu

If you read it again, it happens at present, but once you are in the other dimensions, the present is supposed to disappear. So, not quite right.

If you read it again, it happens at present — Corvus

I think you are confused. You say that the events of these worlds happen in the present and then you say that they don't happen in the present.

I'm really not understanding you.

I'm really not understanding you. — JuanZu

In order for you to be able to experience different time dimension, first you need to start from present. You will need some special mental capability to be able to experience that suppose. It is not for the ordinary folks. But I was only giving you a hypothetical example scenario since you asked for it.
I would imagine extra multidimensional time experience would only be useful and possible for the only the few folks who are esoteric magicians or abstract artists.

You say that the events of these worlds happen in the present and then you say that they don't happen in the present. — JuanZu

You must start it from present logically, which is the starting point of all the other time dimensions. If you were already in the time frame of subconsciousness, then why would you try to experience the time frame you are already in?

In order for you to be able to experience different time dimension, first you need to start from present. You will need some special mental capability to be able to experience that suppose. It is not for the ordinary folks. But I was only giving you a hypothetical example scenario since you asked for it.
I would imagine extra multidimensional time experience would only be useful and possible for the only the few folks who are esoteric magicians or abstract artists. — Corvus

Let me get this straight: you're saying that people with special abilities can experience something like this?

people with special abilities — JuanZu

Neurodiversity.

Let me get this straight: you're saying that people with special abilities can experience something like this? — JuanZu

I would suppose so. It is from speculation actually.

That's because time still exists even though they haven't figured it out, Corvus.

That's because time still exists even though they haven't figured it out, Corvus. — Bob Ross

Not sure if you were meaning about aging. But I know those indigenous folks in the jungle with no concept of time, doesn't know anything about their age, or aging, but they all were getting old like rest of us.

Hence I was telling you, you can get old without knowing anything about aging or time.

Are you aware that the experience is given in the present?

Answer me this (please). Would physics improve in any way by using modal operators?

End of History — Arcane Sandwich

I don't have the time to watch that video.

First, Physics uses modal operations throughout.

Second, how is this germane?

Third, no one here owes anyone else a response.

Fourth, I'm not avoiding your posts, just not bothering with those that appear trivial or irrelevant.

Second, how is this germane? — Banno

Spacetime, as physicists understand it, does not require the use of modal operators, especially not □◇, but you bring up the point about S5 every now and then, so I want to know why. Out of genuine curiosity. If you think this is beneath you as an intellectual, then I'll just start quoting Bunge, specifically the parts where he refutes Kripkean modal logic.

Then start a thread about Bung and Kripke rather than drop it in the middle of another thread. :grimace:

Fine. You've been butchering his last name (Bunge) for about a zillion years, now. I'd ask you why, out of curiosity, but no one owes anyone an explanation about anything, right?

Time is in some sense the only magnetic monopole that exists.

Or it could be like a pendulum.

Or it could be circular.

What if it's a sphere? What would that even mean?

If hyperspace is possible (i.e., a space in which there are hypercubes), is hypertime possible?

Are you aware that the experience is given in the present? — JuanZu

You could say that you are experiencing something at present.  But it is a way of expression to mean that you are perceiving something.  In actuality, we have experience of something by reflection of thought on it, when the perception or participation of activity is over .

 It would be like a process of conceptualisation on the content of the perception or memory of your participation in an activity.  The conceptualisation would then be packaged into the envelope called experience, which could be revealed to other people in linguistic format, or just kept in your memory.
So, No experience is not given at present.  I was explaining about this in the other thread started by @MoK.

The Banno just born 50 year ago doesn't exist now.
— Corvus
Well, it was more than fifty years, but I am still here. — Banno

Banno as a newborn 50+ year ago = Banno as a man after 50+ years from his birth ?
They don't look the same Banno to me. :D

Seems to me that the more you say, the more confused your position becomes. — Banno

It seems the case the confusion is in you. :)

Consciousness is a weird thing. I wouldn't be so surprised if it experienced a static structure as moving, especially if the structure is a smooth sequence. As the ontologist Dua Lipa sings, "Illusion, I really like the way you're movin". — litewave

Time as a consciousness would be able to capture the world in metasubjective and creative way dilating, compressing, shredding, titillating, scintillating, stretching and reducing the perceived time, objects and movements in space.