• AmadeusD
    2.7k
    No, AI is not sentient.
    To me, this comes down to a similar point Banno made in teh abortion thread a couple months back.

    If you cannot recognize the difference between what a human mind, and an AI model is doing - I'm not sure this convo is the right place to start. AI is an S&R model taken to it's extreme. That's all it could be, from what I understand. Even it's internal 'learning' is not creative, but S&R. There are no inherent impulses for an AI.
  • Eros1982
    156
    Hinton is a dumb cognitivist who confuses mechanical processing (AI) with chemical processing (human beings).

    The more people believe these AI speculators, the more money will go to their companies, more federal funding for total manipulation and surveillance of human beings.

    These human haters/exploiters convinced already the US government to launch Stargate Project. The more we take them seriously, the more we will get manipulated and surveiled.

    I have been working on fingerprints the last 20 years. If the things Altman, Gates and co tell you were true, I would have been out of work already. But I can see that their AI is just trying to learn from me and 20 years were not enough for these computers to learn what I know and what I see :scream:

    What matters to these people is to make you believe and invest, till the day you surrender to them everything you have (your freedom, your money, your imagination, your knowledge).
  • Eros1982
    156
    Yeah, but your name is like, RogueAI.Arcane Sandwich

    Good point. Some commentators here sound like theater/Kubrick students, not like philosophy students. What a shame for philosophy students to take for real all the manipulation/speculation going out there for stupid folk who are going to give their taxes and money for supercomputers made from Microsoft & co.

    The most funny thing is that all 500 supercomputers out there are all running on Linux (even those paid by Micriosoft), though there is not a single computer in the US/UK/EU administrations that Microsoft did not bill for its windows.

    This is the world we live in. You have the third-world-IT-army writing, fixing and archiving stuff, and you have the US and Europe kids believing that these devices are thinking and not doing something else (like obeying commands, updating info, following algorithms, updating again, new algorithms again, corrected again, and so on).

    Thank to guys like Gates and governments like the USA and China, we are doomed, we are entering a new dark age for the next two thousand years or so.
  • Arcane Sandwich
    1.2k
    Yeah, but your name is like, RogueAI. — Arcane Sandwich


    Good point.
    Eros1982

    It's a terrible point, and I'm allowed to say that, because it was my point. It's a terrible point because I made it in jest.

    But you've piqued my curiosity with your ending lines, friend:

    we are entering a new dark age for the next two thousand years or so.Eros1982

    I'm not sure that I believe you. It sounds too dramatic, especially since your name, Eros, is the Ancient Greek version of what the Romans called Cupid. Do you really think that Eros (or Cupid!) would have said something so dark? I don't think so.

    And yes, that comment was also made in jest.
  • Eros1982
    156


    If for the first two millennia the precondition was putting your trust on the Catholic Church, for the next two millennia of dark age the condition will be putting your trust on AI.

    The US and Chinese governments are doing whatever they can, investing trillions now, so we put our trust on the new god (i.e. supercomputers that tell you everything you need and know).

    Be ready, my friends. I like Stanley Kubrick, but he got a few details wrong. Elon Musk, Altman and Hinton are using Stanley Kubrick to fool all those people who see too many movies. We have some of them here.
  • Arcane Sandwich
    1.2k
    If for the first two millennia the precondition was putting your trust to the Catholic Church, for the next two millennia of dark age the condition will be putting your trust on AI.

    The US and Chinese governments are doing whatever they can, investing trillions now, so we put our trust to the new god (i.e. supercomputers that tell you everything you need and know).

    Be ready, my friends. I like Stanley Kubrick, but he got a few details wrong. Elon Musk, Altman and Hinton are using Stanley Kubrick to fool all those people who watch too many movies. We have some of them here.
    Eros1982

    All Watched Over By Machines Of Loving Grace

    I like to think (and
    the sooner the better!)
    of a cybernetic meadow
    where mammals and computers
    live together in mutually
    programming harmony
    like pure water
    touching clear sky.

    I like to think
    (right now, please!)
    of a cybernetic forest
    filled with pines and electronics
    where deer stroll peacefully
    past computers
    as if they were flowers
    with spinning blossoms.

    I like to think
    (it has to be!)
    of a cybernetic ecology
    where we are free of our labors
    and joined back to nature,
    returned to our mammal
    brothers and sisters,
    and all watched over
    by machines of loving grace
    Richard Brautigan

  • Eros1982
    156
    I asked ChatGPT why did Farncois Mitterand Kissed Vladimir Putin on the left cheek, and this the answer I got :rofl:

    François Mitterrand, the former President of France, kissed Vladimir Putin on the left cheek during a meeting in 1999, but the context behind it is quite significant. Mitterrand, at the time, was known for his diplomatic approach and had a long history of engaging with various international leaders, including those from Russia. The kiss was symbolic of the warm and somewhat personal relationship that Mitterrand and Putin had developed during their interactions.

    At the time, Putin was already a key figure in Russian politics, serving as Prime Minister before becoming President in 2000. The kiss itself was seen as a gesture of respect and diplomacy, particularly in a European context where cheek kissing is a common greeting among politicians and dignitaries. Mitterrand, a seasoned leader, was also known for his ability to build strong personal ties with other leaders, often blending personal rapport with political strategy.

    The gesture was not only about personal affection but also reflected the growing importance of Russia in European politics, especially as Mitterrand sought to balance relations between France, the European Union, and the emerging Russian Federation post-Soviet Union. It was a moment of warmth, though the political and diplomatic dynamics were always present in such encounters.

    While it certainly garnered some attention at the time, it wasn't necessarily out of the ordinary in the context of international relations where gestures like this are often part of the diplomatic protocol.
  • Eros1982
    156
    I asked ChatGPT about Michelle Obama dancing zumba and this is what I got :sweat:

    Michelle Obama has been known for her strong advocacy of health and fitness, particularly during her time as First Lady. One of the key aspects of her "Let's Move!" campaign was promoting physical activity for children and families. Zumba, a high-energy dance workout that combines Latin rhythms with fitness moves, became one of the fun activities she would engage in to encourage exercise.

    She was seen participating in Zumba events on multiple occasions, and in 2012, she even led a Zumba class at the White House with a group of children. It was part of her efforts to make fitness fun and accessible to people of all ages. Michelle Obama’s enthusiasm for dance and fitness made her a role model for many, demonstrating that staying active could be enjoyable, not just a chore.

    Her public appearances dancing or promoting healthy living helped to normalize the idea of making fitness part of everyday life, especially through enjoyable activities like Zumba.
  • Eros1982
    156
    I asked ChatGPT why Benjamin Netanyahu poisoned Ariel Sharon and here is the answer:

    There is no credible evidence or reports that Benjamin Netanyahu poisoned Ariel Sharon. The claim that Netanyahu poisoned Sharon is a conspiracytheory that has been circulated, particularly after Sharon's stroke in 2006, which led to his long-term incapacitation until his death in 2014.

    Ariel Sharon, the former Prime Minister of Israel, suffered a massive stroke in January 2006, which left him in a coma for the remainder of his life. The stroke was widely attributed to his previous health issues, including a history of heart problems. Some conspiracy theories, especially those from political opponents or certain circles, speculated about foul play or sabotage, but there is no substantiated evidence to support these claims.

    In politics, especially involving prominent figures like Netanyahu and Sharon, rumors and conspiracy theories can spread, but they are not based on verified facts. Sharon's health issues were most likely a result of his medical history, not any external attack.
  • Eros1982
    156
    In a few words, whatever bullshit I threw to the chatbot it was taken at face value. Mitterand was dead in 1996, there's no conspiracy theory about Sharon being poisoned by Netanyahu and I doubt that Michelle Obama had Zumba classes in the White House.

    I do believe there has been a lot of progress in AI, but as tech guru Jaron Lanier says, we better chose another word instead of "intelligence" when referred to IT. It breaks my heart to see philosophy students believing that machines are thinking already :groan:

    IT is doing great things because millions of people, since World War II, have spent billions of working hours on IT. In contrast with other kinds of jobs where your product, your structure, your fruit, may get broken, lost or spoiled, in IT nothing gets lost; it is always archived somewhere, shared with billions of people and picked up by other developers. This is what we are talking about, my friends. Billions of labor hours saved and combined for all you to enjoy and further develop. Don't listen to lunatics like Geoffrey Hinton and Elon Musk. Every time these lunatics will scare you, more money will go for their AI stocks.
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